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Posted: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 09:45 AM UTC
Hi their Gun I see you have built the M60A2 from tamiya any secerts that you would like to share. Like how are the tracks, should I order some Fruils or whatever for it how about detail sets is the Eduard set okay for it? Or if not fruil how about AFV club tracks? Share share be like Sabot.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 10:27 AM UTC

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Hi their Gun I see you have built the M60A2 from tamiya any secerts that you would like to share. Like how are the tracks, should I order some Fruils or whatever for it how about detail sets is the Eduard set okay for it? Or if not fruil how about AFV club tracks? Share share be like Sabot.



Share like Sabot? Whom said that I don't already share here on this Forum?

There are no secrets to share about my buildup of Tamiya's M60A2 - it's just a straight modeling job.

It has AFV Club M48/M60 individual track-links fitted to it. The interior of the Xenon Searchlight was scratchbuilt out of Verlinden Foil and Bare Metal Chrome Foil. The 152mm Gun Barrel/Missile Launcher was made from brass and aluminum tubing. Brass Mesh is on the Turret Baskets, and there are a lot of smaller fittings added that were missing from the basic model kit like Tow Cables and lifting hooks. The Mantlet Cover is made from tissue.

The Woodland pattern MERDEC scheme was done with simple Scotch Tape masks and airbrushing over a week's worth of sittings.

Gunnie
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Posted: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 10:33 AM UTC
::::using Jedi mind trick:::: "I am Gunnie" ::::mind trick ends::::
I've built Tamiya's M60A2. First off, I gotta say that mind didn't turn out anywhere near as good as Gunnie's!!! For the tracks, they are kinda basic. The 'rubber band' type. Pins on one end fit through holes on the other end, and you are supposed to melt the two ends together... That's a lousy description right there, it's really easy to do... I've never played with individual track links yet, so I can't reccomend one over the other.
Overall I'd say it's not a half-bad kit. The fit was pretty good for me, the only thing I really should've sanded was the turret and the upper and lower hulls. There were hardly any gaps; not a whole lotta putty was used on this model. I just noticed lots of detail that could be added to the kit from looking at reference photos. The turret basket, the infared scope (I think that's what it was), the rear was a little inaccurate I think - nothing serious though. I'm sure Gunnie will have more info (more coherent too) for you, as I did not use a detail set. I constructed mine entirely OOB. I also ruined the kit trying to do a wash... no one will ever see a picture of that kit!!!

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Posted: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 10:39 AM UTC
Looking back, there were only two things I decided not to do to mine that I would if I built another one in the future.

I would texture the Turret. The thing is so ugly, it might help it out appearance wise. Second would be to drill out lightening holes in the Drive Sprockets.

But, see, if I went those little steps further - then I would have tried to scratchbuild an interior for the dang thing! Control, control - you must learn control...

Gunnie
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Posted: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 08:24 PM UTC
Take no Offense Guntruck I did not mean anything that you do not share. Just a kidder I am By the way nice job on that M-60. Cause I did save your pictures for future use also
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Posted: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 12:43 AM UTC

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Looking back, there were only two things I decided not to do to mine that I would if I built another one in the future.

I would texture the Turret. The thing is so ugly, it might help it out appearance wise. Second would be to drill out lightening holes in the Drive Sprockets.

But, see, if I went those little steps further - then I would have tried to scratchbuild an interior for the dang thing! Control, control - you must learn control...

Gunnie



Gunnie--how would you texture the turret? I have the model and want to build it (someday). I have got to finish that M551 first.......well, maybe not right away.
thanks
DJ
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Posted: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 01:34 AM UTC

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Hi their Gun I see you have built the M60A2 from tamiya any secerts that you would like to share. Like how are the tracks, should I order some Fruils or whatever for it how about detail sets is the Eduard set okay for it? Or if not fruil how about AFV club tracks? Share share be like Sabot.



Share like Sabot? Whom said that I don't already share here on this Forum?

There are no secrets to share about my buildup of Tamiya's M60A2 - it's just a straight modeling job.

It has AFV Club M48/M60 individual track-links fitted to it. The interior of the Xenon Searchlight was scratchbuilt out of Verlinden Foil and Bare Metal Chrome Foil. The 152mm Gun Barrel/Missile Launcher was made from brass and aluminum tubing. Brass Mesh is on the Turret Baskets, and there are a lot of smaller fittings added that were missing from the basic model kit like Tow Cables and lifting hooks. The Mantlet Cover is made from tissue.

The Woodland pattern MERDEC scheme was done with simple Scotch Tape masks and airbrushing over a week's worth of sittings.

Gunnie



How many of you also use brass tubing to build the Main Gun with? And is it all that much better than the one alrady supplied. Also if you do what about the large chamber in the middle?? (Sorry not familiar with its name) how do you replace it??

DAGGER-1 "When Science Fails, Brute Force Wins"
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Posted: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 03:55 AM UTC

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Hi their Gun I see you have built the M60A2 from tamiya any secerts that you would like to share. Like how are the tracks, should I order some Fruils or whatever for it how about detail sets is the Eduard set okay for it? Or if not fruil how about AFV club tracks? Share share be like Sabot.



Share like Sabot? Whom said that I don't already share here on this Forum?

There are no secrets to share about my buildup of Tamiya's M60A2 - it's just a straight modeling job.

It has AFV Club M48/M60 individual track-links fitted to it. The interior of the Xenon Searchlight was scratchbuilt out of Verlinden Foil and Bare Metal Chrome Foil. The 152mm Gun Barrel/Missile Launcher was made from brass and aluminum tubing. Brass Mesh is on the Turret Baskets, and there are a lot of smaller fittings added that were missing from the basic model kit like Tow Cables and lifting hooks. The Mantlet Cover is made from tissue.

The Woodland pattern MERDEC scheme was done with simple Scotch Tape masks and airbrushing over a week's worth of sittings.

Gunnie



How many of you also use brass tubing to build the Main Gun with? And is it all that much better than the one alrady supplied. Also if you do what about the large chamber in the middle?? (Sorry not familiar with its name) how do you replace it??

DAGGER-1 "When Science Fails, Brute Force Wins"



Dennis--I think you are referring to the "bore evacuator." If so, it is the accentuate part of the gun tube. Its purpose is to allow propulsion gases to escape after they assist the round to leave the tube. The 152mm equipped tanks had a version which did not have a bore evacuator. If memory serves this aging mind correctly, it did not make a tinkers damn difference in the performance of the main gun with or without the bore evacuator. Whatever that round hit, it destroyed. So, in my humble opinion, you could construct the tube with or without the bore evacuator.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 06:55 AM UTC
Thanks DJ that helped a great deal. I did'nt know the name of the bore
Evacuator. Thanks for bringing me up to speed. It will come in use pretty soon.



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Posted: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 08:29 AM UTC
Dennis--got your PM. Get a good pipe ctter and then scout the hobby shop display for the right sized hollow metal rods. Interesting to do. I used this technique with a plastic rod to make the 76mm on my Heavy Sherman. Experiment, you'll like it.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 09:16 PM UTC

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Gunnie--how would you texture the turret? I have the model and want to build it (someday). I have got to finish that M551 first.......well, maybe not right away.
thanks
DJ



DJ - I plan on using Gunze Sangyo Mr.Surfacer and a Testors Paintbrush (chopped back) for texturing the surface of the turret. The classic stippling motion Shep Paine wrote about ages ago. I had heard at one time that there was a resin replacement turret complete with texturing produced cottage industry in Korea, but I've never seen it...

Gunnie
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Posted: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 09:24 PM UTC
thanks for the info DJ
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Posted: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 09:27 PM UTC

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How many of you also use brass tubing to build the Main Gun with? And is it all that much better than the one alrady supplied. Also if you do what about the large chamber in the middle?? (Sorry not familiar with its name) how do you replace it??

DAGGER-1 "When Science Fails, Brute Force Wins"




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Dennis--I think you are referring to the "bore evacuator." If so, it is the accentuate part of the gun tube. Its purpose is to allow propulsion gases to escape after they assist the round to leave the tube. The 152mm equipped tanks had a version which did not have a bore evacuator. If memory serves this aging mind correctly, it did not make a tinkers damn difference in the performance of the main gun with or without the bore evacuator. Whatever that round hit, it destroyed. So, in my humble opinion, you could construct the tube with or without the bore evacuator.
DJ



Dennis - there were two variants of the M60A2, but they weren't designated differently. The early version of the 'Starship' was equipped with a gun barrel/missile launcher that came equipped with the Bore Evacuator like DJ mentioned. This system proved unsatisfactory, for it didn't completely evacuate the tube, and residue leftover from a previous firing did detonate newly chambered rounds prematurely.

The improved system was dubbed CBSS (Closed Breech Scavenging System) and was distinguished externally by a 152mm gun barrel/missile launcher without the Bore Evacuator in place. The tank was equipped with an air baffle system that was housed under the rear hull - resulting in a bulge and minor changes underneath the Engine Doors. This is quite noticable for a CBSS-equipped M60A2, but Tamiya didn't model this feature correctly. I have pictures of a CBSS M60A2 on my website page on this model. Like DJ said, you can build early or late with the Tamiya kit - but the late needs to have the CBSS bulge added to the underside of the rear hull too.

Sorry for my delay in posting. I've been at a Leadership Retreat for the past couple of days - and only visit my office for 45 minutes in the morning. Armorama gets almost 30 minutes of that time!

Gunnie
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Posted: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 10:30 PM UTC
Thanks Gunnie:
The M-60 itch is growing stronger with each day. BUT I'm just starting the Fw-190 project and NEED to work my way thru until I complete it. Also I have a Merkava and a couple of WW-2 German Tanks waiting. But for some reason this URGE to build an M-60A3 (Italeri--------Kit- I finally decided which one I wanted.) has become "REALLY" prevelant lately. SO I am going to buy one here within the next week or two. Finish the Fw-190. And then move onto the Armor projects waiting to be built. Starting with the M-60 kit. "I CAN'T WAIT" Must... Have... ONE... NOW!! LOL
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Posted: Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 10:31 PM UTC

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Thanks Gunnie:
The M-60 itch is growing stronger with each day. BUT I'm just starting the Fw-190 project and NEED to work my way thru until I complete it. Also I have a Merkava and a couple of WW-2 German Tanks waiting. But for some reason this URGE to build an M-60A3 (Italeri--------Kit- I finally decided which one I wanted.) has become "REALLY" prevelant lately. SO I am going to buy one here within the next week or two. Finish the Fw-190. And then move onto the Armor projects waiting to be built. Starting with the M-60 kit. "I CAN'T WAIT" Must... Have... ONE... NOW!! LOL
DAGGER-1 "When Science Fails, Brute Force Wins"



Cool - take your time and do a nice job on the Fw-190 - before getting to the good stuff! About once a month I get nutty about the M60 too, for some reason, I've got a M60 going right now, albiet slowly because of other projects being ahead of it. It'll get done...

Gunnie
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Posted: Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 10:44 PM UTC
#:-) Gunnie: Thanks Buddie: I knew that I could rely on you.I'M SOOOOO glad that thier is this group of guys and Gals to have as a base of support. i.e. A.A. Groups...LOL
ANYWAY: I will do the best I can on the Fw-190 and pick up the M-60 probably in a couple of weeks. BUT like I said it's going to be tough supressing the "URGE" LOL. Will let youi know when I get it.

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Posted: Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:29 PM UTC

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#:-) Gunnie: Thanks Buddie: I knew that I could rely on you.I'M SOOOOO glad that thier is this group of guys and Gals to have as a base of support. i.e. A.A. Groups...LOL
ANYWAY: I will do the best I can on the Fw-190 and pick up the M-60 probably in a couple of weeks. BUT like I said it's going to be tough supressing the "URGE" LOL. Will let youi know when I get it.

DAGGER-1



Great - by that time I'll be back to mine too - we can swap M60 plastic-stories as we go!

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Posted: Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:49 PM UTC
#:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) GUNNIE:
Sounds good to me!!!! I look forward to it.!!

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Posted: Friday, May 31, 2002 - 12:36 AM UTC
Amigoes--I have nothing profound to offer. Rather, I use this forum to regain my equilibrium from the History Talk section's discussion on the India-Pakistan dispute. We have great people on this Forum. I am back to building the M-26. A challenge I need at this time.
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Posted: Friday, May 31, 2002 - 02:22 AM UTC
:-) :-) Cool DJ:
What phase of development are you at?? Me? I'm just starting my Fw-190, So I have not gotten very far. BUT a three day week end this week should give me time to get more work done. So Whats next after the M-26 project?? I have plans for an Italeri M-60 after I finish the Fw-190.

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Posted: Friday, May 31, 2002 - 09:29 AM UTC
Dagger--- after the DW, it shall be the 105mm Sherman by Tamiya. I just received my photos from a recent trip to Holland. I shall post them via Jim's invaluable assistance. I have shots of a mint Cromwell, Churchill with the spigot mortar, and the Sherman flail tank (first one I ever saw). I also have a shot of a Bailey bridge.
DJ #:-)
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Posted: Friday, May 31, 2002 - 09:34 AM UTC
DJ,
I'm sure Jim will be happy to post them all.......

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