AFV Painting & Weathering
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Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
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what base colour for a sherman? and filters?
messynachos
Joined: November 14, 2012
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Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 04:55 AM UTC
what base colour should i use for a sherman and what colours for filters and washes to make it really aurhentic and westhered.. i also use pigment powder and tamiya westhering master kit.. any ideas would help .thanks
asmodeuss
Joined: November 19, 2011
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Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 05:19 AM UTC
I've used a mix of tamiya nato green with field grey
Afterward a few pass with a burnt unmber filter and finally some dusting.
That is what I got.
Afterward a few pass with a burnt unmber filter and finally some dusting.
That is what I got.
messynachos
Joined: November 14, 2012
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Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 06:22 AM UTC
wow looks so good! i forgot to mention i have no air brush so its spray cans or brush on tamiya. will that work?? i have a wide variety of spray tamiya cans too .
russamotto
Joined: December 14, 2007
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Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 07:39 AM UTC
I have used Krylon ultra flat camo paint before. Primed with flat brown, and then OD top coat. For Tamiya spray paints, I've done black, brown or dark gray base and OD top coat, wash with raw umber, and apply yellow ochre oil paint with a brush, blending on the surface for highlights.
asmodeuss
Joined: November 19, 2011
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Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 09:49 AM UTC
Spray can will work but obtaining color variation will be tricky, I would try to spray coats as light as possible and
use brushed light washes as filters using maybe a diluted mix of forest green with a little yellow(both oil) for highlights...very thin coats. and then see how it builds up. Of course burnt umber as a base filter.
I prefer to use very thin coats of filter many time than one or two thick coats. You'll have a better control this way, at least with the brush. and remember, if you don't like it you can always wash with odorless spirit, if you use oil colors for washes and filters.
Philippe
use brushed light washes as filters using maybe a diluted mix of forest green with a little yellow(both oil) for highlights...very thin coats. and then see how it builds up. Of course burnt umber as a base filter.
I prefer to use very thin coats of filter many time than one or two thick coats. You'll have a better control this way, at least with the brush. and remember, if you don't like it you can always wash with odorless spirit, if you use oil colors for washes and filters.
Philippe
messynachos
Joined: November 14, 2012
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Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 04:35 PM UTC
ok here goes another stupid question haha now i went ahead of myslef and sprayed it od green 2(ts-28) tamiya,got all rhe junk on it and it looks good if it was to be cleaned and in a parade with a fresh new paint job but i want war torn westhered.. now i have the flat military oil testors and testors thinner for oils, i am pretty sure i dont weather acrylic base with acrylic thinner or a mess i will have ha. so now with a dark green base what would u guys recomend my next step be?
asmodeuss
Joined: November 19, 2011
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Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012 - 02:32 AM UTC
This is my bible that I've got from Master Gary``mace Windu`` Boggs. He is an awesome modeller.
1 – Primer
2 - Paint basecoat, camo, tools, MG's, accessories, etc.
3 - Gloss coat (future)
4 – Decals
5 - Seal Decals w/gloss
6 - Pin wash
7 - Flat coat
8 - Filter (optional)
9 - Oil fading/streaking
10 - Seal with thin flat coat
11 - Chipping (optional)
12 - More streaks, like Rust, oil, dirt. (optional)
13 - Another Filter (optional)
14 - Pigments on tracks and lower hull
15 - Airbrush dusting on tracks and lower hull. I use Tamiya Buff very thinned.
16 - Graphite on MG's, tools, lifting eyes, tow cables, etc.
17 - Detail wooden handels, wood block w/oil and/or washes
18 - Double check everything
So, you can use oil washes on acrylics but i sugest you use a gloss coat before, the render will greatly improve.
If you want... here is a link to the firefly I've built and you'll see the step by step with pics, this way it will be easyer to understand. If you have other Q's don't hesitate.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/192185&page=1
Phil.
1 – Primer
2 - Paint basecoat, camo, tools, MG's, accessories, etc.
3 - Gloss coat (future)
4 – Decals
5 - Seal Decals w/gloss
6 - Pin wash
7 - Flat coat
8 - Filter (optional)
9 - Oil fading/streaking
10 - Seal with thin flat coat
11 - Chipping (optional)
12 - More streaks, like Rust, oil, dirt. (optional)
13 - Another Filter (optional)
14 - Pigments on tracks and lower hull
15 - Airbrush dusting on tracks and lower hull. I use Tamiya Buff very thinned.
16 - Graphite on MG's, tools, lifting eyes, tow cables, etc.
17 - Detail wooden handels, wood block w/oil and/or washes
18 - Double check everything
So, you can use oil washes on acrylics but i sugest you use a gloss coat before, the render will greatly improve.
If you want... here is a link to the firefly I've built and you'll see the step by step with pics, this way it will be easyer to understand. If you have other Q's don't hesitate.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/192185&page=1
Phil.
messynachos
Joined: November 14, 2012
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Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012 - 03:21 AM UTC
thank you so much!!! 
asmodeuss
Joined: November 19, 2011
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Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012 - 03:27 AM UTC
If you have anymore question pm me.
Biggles2
Joined: January 01, 2004
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Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012 - 03:27 AM UTC
As Philippe said the OD straight from the can will result in a too dark color after darker washes. You should try Tamiya German dark yellow as a glaze to considerably lighten your base color. Your base color should look like it is too light as it will darken with weathering washes. I've made this mistake in the past and ended up with a vehicle way too dark 
. It is easier to darken your color to a desired shade than it is to lighten a too dark color. When you've arrived at a sufficiently light shade, then you can future and apply decals and begin your dark washes and weathering.
. It is easier to darken your color to a desired shade than it is to lighten a too dark color. When you've arrived at a sufficiently light shade, then you can future and apply decals and begin your dark washes and weathering. messynachos
Joined: November 14, 2012
KitMaker: 142 posts
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Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 04:06 AM UTC
thank you.
Blackstoat
Joined: October 15, 2012
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Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 09:53 AM UTC
Quoted Text
This is my bible that I've got from Master Gary``mace Windu`` Boggs. He is an awesome modeller.
1 – Primer
2 - Paint basecoat, camo, tools, MG's, accessories, etc.
3 - Gloss coat (future)
4 – Decals
5 - Seal Decals w/gloss
6 - Pin wash
7 - Flat coat
8 - Filter (optional)
9 - Oil fading/streaking
10 - Seal with thin flat coat
11 - Chipping (optional)
12 - More streaks, like Rust, oil, dirt. (optional)
13 - Another Filter (optional)
14 - Pigments on tracks and lower hull
15 - Airbrush dusting on tracks and lower hull. I use Tamiya Buff very thinned.
16 - Graphite on MG's, tools, lifting eyes, tow cables, etc.
17 - Detail wooden handels, wood block w/oil and/or washes
18 - Double check everything
So, you can use oil washes on acrylics but i sugest you use a gloss coat before, the render will greatly improve.
If you want... here is a link to the firefly I've built and you'll see the step by step with pics, this way it will be easyer to understand. If you have other Q's don't hesitate.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/192185&page=1
Phil.
Hi
Just looked at your build. So you sprayed the oil filters? I've only ever seen them applied by brush?
Are they normally sprayed???
Thanks
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