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Iwata HP-C plus help: air valve issue
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 - 02:32 AM UTC
Hi. I've got a HP-C plus. I was using it last night, and I'm getting too much stiction in the air valve. Basically, if I pull my finger off the trigger quickly, it takes a fraction of a second for the valve to close. It's not a big deal for base coat stuff, but for camouflage or other details, it's going to be a deal breaker. I cleaned the whole body in the ultrasonic cleaner last night, but it didn't appear to get any better. I put a few drops of lube in there, but it did not immediately get better. I'm going to try it again tonight to see if it's loosened up a bit, but otherwise, not sure what to do, or exactly where the excess friction is coming from.
BBD468
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Posted: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 - 04:18 AM UTC
Hey Jesse,
Dang...i dont know why what you've done hasn't worked. Ive had that issue too, but a good cleaning and lube has always fixed me right up. Think maybe an obstruction may be lodged in the valve...maybe corrosion? When you applied lube, did you work the valve up and down several times to work the lube down into it? Jeesh....outside that...im stumped Jesse. Hope you get it sorted and if you do let us know what the issue was.
Good luck buddy,
Gary
Dang...i dont know why what you've done hasn't worked. Ive had that issue too, but a good cleaning and lube has always fixed me right up. Think maybe an obstruction may be lodged in the valve...maybe corrosion? When you applied lube, did you work the valve up and down several times to work the lube down into it? Jeesh....outside that...im stumped Jesse. Hope you get it sorted and if you do let us know what the issue was.
Good luck buddy,
Gary
panzerbob01
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Posted: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 - 04:24 AM UTC
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Hi. I've got a HP-C plus. I was using it last night, and I'm getting too much stiction in the air valve. Basically, if I pull my finger off the trigger quickly, it takes a fraction of a second for the valve to close. It's not a big deal for base coat stuff, but for camouflage or other details, it's going to be a deal breaker. I cleaned the whole body in the ultrasonic cleaner last night, but it didn't appear to get any better. I put a few drops of lube in there, but it did not immediately get better. I'm going to try it again tonight to see if it's loosened up a bit, but otherwise, not sure what to do, or exactly where the excess friction is coming from.
Jesse:
Hi!
Hmmmm. Sounds a LOT like an issue I have developed with MY Iwata HC! When I lift my finger off that air-button, it keeps running for a tad...
I took my AB down, pulled all the guts out and did that cleaning - even used acetone. The pin-action is fine and smooth....
I tried fitting the button and its plunger back down into that seat where the air-hose attaches... That's when I discovered that the small air valve was actually sort of sluggish in closing! (The button pushes a valve down - release the button and that valve piece is supposed to pop right back up. Mine acted like it was gummy. )
Sounds to me like you may have this same problem. I THINK mine actually may have happened BECAUSE I put acetone into the AB and some may have seeped down into the air valve - where it may have corrupted an o-ring. So I'm going to break the valve down and inspect and maybe change the rubber ring inside.
My sympathy and maybe this could be your solution, too!
Bob
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 - 04:47 AM UTC
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Quoted TextHi. I've got a HP-C plus. I was using it last night, and I'm getting too much stiction in the air valve. Basically, if I pull my finger off the trigger quickly, it takes a fraction of a second for the valve to close. It's not a big deal for base coat stuff, but for camouflage or other details, it's going to be a deal breaker. I cleaned the whole body in the ultrasonic cleaner last night, but it didn't appear to get any better. I put a few drops of lube in there, but it did not immediately get better. I'm going to try it again tonight to see if it's loosened up a bit, but otherwise, not sure what to do, or exactly where the excess friction is coming from.
Jesse:
Hi!
Hmmmm. Sounds a LOT like an issue I have developed with MY Iwata HC! When I lift my finger off that air-button, it keeps running for a tad...
I took my AB down, pulled all the guts out and did that cleaning - even used acetone. The pin-action is fine and smooth....
I tried fitting the button and its plunger back down into that seat where the air-hose attaches... That's when I discovered that the small air valve was actually sort of sluggish in closing! (The button pushes a valve down - release the button and that valve piece is supposed to pop right back up. Mine acted like it was gummy. )
Sounds to me like you may have this same problem. I THINK mine actually may have happened BECAUSE I put acetone into the AB and some may have seeped down into the air valve - where it may have corrupted an o-ring. So I'm going to break the valve down and inspect and maybe change the rubber ring inside.
My sympathy and maybe this could be your solution, too!
Bob
Yeah Bob, sounds like the same problem. I pulled apart the air valve and cleaned it up. Maybe I need to use a different lube around that o-ring and the small brass piston piece.
I used lacquer thinner to clean it out.
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 - 04:48 AM UTC
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Hey Jesse,
Dang...i dont know why what you've done hasn't worked. Ive had that issue too, but a good cleaning and lube has always fixed me right up. Think maybe an obstruction may be lodged in the valve...maybe corrosion? When you applied lube, did you work the valve up and down several times to work the lube down into it? Jeesh....outside that...im stumped Jesse. Hope you get it sorted and if you do let us know what the issue was.
Good luck buddy,
Gary
Me too. That's why I posted!
gaborka
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Posted: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 - 10:10 PM UTC
The reason is the o-ring above the valve has expanded due to some chemical effect (solvents may cause such thing, especially if you use differently based paints in a sequence), so it holds back the pin of the trigger.
You can remove the o-ring and let it dry for a few weeks to save it. If you wish to use the airbrush soon it is better to replace the o-ring with a new one.
You can remove the o-ring and let it dry for a few weeks to save it. If you wish to use the airbrush soon it is better to replace the o-ring with a new one.
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2013 - 06:48 AM UTC
For what it's worth, when I went back last night, it worked perfectly. The lube apparently fixed it, or various solvents that were on the o-ring evaporated enough to reverse any expansion.
joegrafton
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2013 - 08:26 PM UTC
Sounds like two different problems to me.
I've got the exact same airbrush & I get the problem with paint "pulsing" out of the nozzle & also the problem when you take your finger off the button & the paint still flows out for a couple of milliseconds.
So, I take it apart (spring mechanism; needle; nozzle;ie - just a normal strip down & clean), then leave it to dry overnight before I put it back together & hey, presto! It all works fine!
Haven't got a clue why, though!
Joe.
I've got the exact same airbrush & I get the problem with paint "pulsing" out of the nozzle & also the problem when you take your finger off the button & the paint still flows out for a couple of milliseconds.
So, I take it apart (spring mechanism; needle; nozzle;ie - just a normal strip down & clean), then leave it to dry overnight before I put it back together & hey, presto! It all works fine!
Haven't got a clue why, though!
Joe.
retiredyank
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2013 - 10:29 PM UTC
It is the o-ring. I just got done fixing the same problem, with mine. But, I have a large box of various sized o-rings to choose from. The rubber may be corrosive resistant, but not impervious. I do have to admit, I only encountered this problem after a few years of bathing it in acetone.
panzerbob01
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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2013 - 10:00 AM UTC
It is as Gabor noted, and yes, at least in theory some "rubber" compounds will eventually lose the volatile solvents... and compounds also react differently to various solvents.
The acetone (or any other paint vehicle or cleaning solvent) introduced into the paint-cup is not supposed to get down into that air-valve - that's what the pin-lube is, in conjunction with its small gusset or gasket, supposed to prevent. So one may indeed be able to go for some time without stuff eventually backing down to there. The fact that it did may mean that your pin gasket is eroding and leaking more...
The solution for the air-valve O-ring may be to dry it, as suggested above, or, more to my liking (I think... ) replace it, as Matt has done.
But I'll have to go find some shop or source which has the correct O-ring!
Bob
The acetone (or any other paint vehicle or cleaning solvent) introduced into the paint-cup is not supposed to get down into that air-valve - that's what the pin-lube is, in conjunction with its small gusset or gasket, supposed to prevent. So one may indeed be able to go for some time without stuff eventually backing down to there. The fact that it did may mean that your pin gasket is eroding and leaking more...
The solution for the air-valve O-ring may be to dry it, as suggested above, or, more to my liking (I think... ) replace it, as Matt has done.
But I'll have to go find some shop or source which has the correct O-ring!
Bob
TopSmith
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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2013 - 04:02 PM UTC
I was also having the sticking trigger problem and I only use acrylics. I also clean with an ultrasonic cleaner with windex. My HP-C is about 10 years old so the age of the O rings may also come into play.
BBD468
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Posted: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 - 04:36 PM UTC
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For what it's worth, when I went back last night, it worked perfectly. The lube apparently fixed it, or various solvents that were on the o-ring evaporated enough to reverse any expansion.
Right on Jesse, glad ya got sorted man!