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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 01:36 AM UTC
Just a question,

Why does almost everybody leave the barrel handle on, like in this picture (nice one btw).
I mean, when i served in the army i used a .50 and i never ever leave the barrel handle in place because i would fell of at the slightest bump when driving. And second, when you are firing with the handle on and you have to change barrels you would burn your hands because of the heat.

Wouter

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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 01:55 AM UTC
Well, I attached the handle to .50 on my M923 truck because....



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Pawel
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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 02:01 AM UTC
I think there is a level of detail that catches the eye. As modelers we are always looking critically at models and looking for 'that little extra'. I think this handle can be 'that little extra'.
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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 02:08 AM UTC
Scott,
we always had them on without any of the problems you mentioned...
Ciao
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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 02:34 AM UTC
They are a great detail item...who makes the best looking one in 1/35?

The ones in most kits are way to thick and hard as I try, the ones I scratch never seem to be correct.
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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 02:53 AM UTC

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They are a great detail item...who makes the best looking one in 1/35?


I used Eduard PE part form M923A1 update set, but they include this part in many other sets. I only replaced one handle part (you know which one) with thin styrene rod.



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Pawel
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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 03:01 AM UTC
I agree, we never had them on. Just another BII item to get lost and someone to have to pay for. I imagine in a combat situation where the need to change barrels quickly would be the difference between life and death, I'd have one on and probably have a couple of spares around.
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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 03:04 AM UTC
SAbot,

i agree with you, in battle it would be a different matter. Mayby a good diorama subject:
a crew member who is furiously trying to change barrels in the heat of the battle.
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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 03:09 AM UTC
that thing just looks great...thanks for the reply

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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 03:38 AM UTC
The new Academy Machine Gun set #AA425-4000 1384 has several different barrels, with and without the handle, and different length barrels.
all in all a pretty decent set, although I'm not an expert in anything, they certainly do lokk a heck of a lot better than most kit items, and are a lot cheaper than resin.
Maybe it's just my luck, but everytime I bought a resin maching gun, I received them so twisted and warped they were unusable.This set cost me about 7bucks at the local hobby shop.

But thanks for the info, I always wondered why in some photos you see the handle, and in others you didn't, learn something new every day here.
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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 10:26 AM UTC
Hi guys

One question, how and where are these handles stored when not on the weapon ? I, like many others have looked on the handle as a detail item, but if its not practical to leave it on the weapon then what should be done with it ?

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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 01:38 PM UTC

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One question, how and where are these handles stored when not on the weapon ? I, like many others have looked on the handle as a detail item, but if its not practical to leave it on the weapon then what should be done with it ?
All crew served weapons like machine guns have an accessory case. This normally holds the cleaning kit, brushes, rods, the asbestos mitten (looks like an oven mitt), tools (like the head space and timing gauge), spare barrel, hot barrel handle, sometime spare parts like an extra firing pin and various other bits. This is stored in a sponson box or near the loader's station on a tank.
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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 07:54 PM UTC

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All crew served weapons like machine guns have an accessory case.


I understand that in case of gun installed on a truck, as on the photo I posted earlier, there should also be accessory box somewhere. Where would you expect it to be? On the cargo bed or in the cab? How big is it?

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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 08:13 PM UTC

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All crew served weapons like machine guns have an accessory case.


I understand that in case of gun installed on a truck, as on the photo I posted earlier, there should also be accessory box somewhere. Where would you expect it to be? On the cargo bed or in the cab? How big is it?

Rgds,
Pawel
Under the passenger seat. On most US Army trucks, the wider passenger seat lid opens and inside is stowage for the accessory case. This case is usually made of either regular OD green canvas or that newer OD green plastic canvas. The case is about as long as your arm and V shaped (wider at the top than the bottom).
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Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 11:08 PM UTC

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Under the passenger seat.


Thanks Rob! Looks like I don't have to add it to my truck then I knew that there is a battery box under the passenger (or "companion" how it is caled in TM) seat in M939 trucks, but didn't know that there is also some extra storage space left.

Rgds,
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