Hi,
I am trying the Salt and Hairspray method together with Vallejo Colors.
Mostly I use Vallejo Air, but sometime Model Color, too.
I have tried Hairspray and some other fluids like chipping fluid and worn effects from AK to separate the underlying color from the top color.
Unfortunately the adhesiveness of the Vallejo colors (which I only thin with a little water (if at all) ) is so good, that - after soaking with water - it feels like having some kind of solid colored film on the underlying color with some water between both layers. I can scarf it and remove shreds of color, but I cannot thin the upper color to let the undercolor shine through.
I hope I could describe my problem for you to understand (sorry - non-native speaker )
Does anyone of you know a way to reduce the adhesiveness of the Vallejo paints?
Or other colors which work better with Hairspray?
Cheers
Thomas
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1967er
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Posted: Saturday, April 20, 2013 - 01:51 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 04:51 AM UTC
Hi Thomas,
I had a similar problem when I was trying the hairspray method (I used toothpaste actually), the paint came off in big chips at once. This happened in areas that had no toothpaste too, all the paint needed was some water and then it just came off.
I figured my problem was that there was gloss coating under the paint, so it had nothing to bite into on the smooth surface. I tried the same technique on a surface that was airbrushed with Vallejo paints too, and it worked there as it should, the paint came off gradually in small chips.
Maybe you should try to change the coating under the paint to a rougher type.
I had a similar problem when I was trying the hairspray method (I used toothpaste actually), the paint came off in big chips at once. This happened in areas that had no toothpaste too, all the paint needed was some water and then it just came off.
I figured my problem was that there was gloss coating under the paint, so it had nothing to bite into on the smooth surface. I tried the same technique on a surface that was airbrushed with Vallejo paints too, and it worked there as it should, the paint came off gradually in small chips.
Maybe you should try to change the coating under the paint to a rougher type.
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Posted: Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 11:11 AM UTC
Vallejo isn't a prime candidate for the hairspray technique as it forms a skin and wants to come off all together. Tamiya is probably the best for this technique, Model Flex, Lifecolor and Vallejo not so good in my experience.
1967er
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Posted: Monday, April 22, 2013 - 05:58 AM UTC
Thank you for your feedback.
Peter, I have tried different kind of basecolor-treatment.
Either with or without coating over the basecolor the color formed a skin and did not come off easy.
James, I agree to your writing, that Vallejo colors form a skin.
Unfortunately I will not start a new series of color (this time Tamiya) - I just don't have the place and the money. (and - last but not least - these colors stink and I can only use them in the basement, where I have no good working conditions).
So I will have to try different methods to weaken the "Skin-building" of Vallejo-Paints.
Cheers
Thomas
Peter, I have tried different kind of basecolor-treatment.
Either with or without coating over the basecolor the color formed a skin and did not come off easy.
James, I agree to your writing, that Vallejo colors form a skin.
Unfortunately I will not start a new series of color (this time Tamiya) - I just don't have the place and the money. (and - last but not least - these colors stink and I can only use them in the basement, where I have no good working conditions).
So I will have to try different methods to weaken the "Skin-building" of Vallejo-Paints.
Cheers
Thomas
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Posted: Monday, April 22, 2013 - 09:21 AM UTC
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Thank you for your feedback.
Peter, I have tried different kind of basecolor-treatment.
Either with or without coating over the basecolor the color formed a skin and did not come off easy.
James, I agree to your writing, that Vallejo colors form a skin.
Unfortunately I will not start a new series of color (this time Tamiya) - I just don't have the place and the money. (and - last but not least - these colors stink and I can only use them in the basement, where I have no good working conditions).
So I will have to try different methods to weaken the "Skin-building" of Vallejo-Paints.
Cheers
Thomas
Vallejo makes a chipping medium, been thinking about getting some after reading about your experiences. http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/model-paints/auxiliary-products/3
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