In 1979 Tamiya released what was at the time a definitive Tiger 1 late, or so it seemed to me. The image below shows how far I got before finding out that they had royally cocked the turret up by making it symmetrical. So of to the shelf of doom it went for 30 years .
In 2010 after getting back into the hobby I pulled the Tiger from under a three inch thick layer of dust and considered the options. After a lengthy discussion with Dannyd my wallet was emptied on some Friul tracks and an Armour-Scale Befehlswagen conversion set.
The next issue was the turret, and what to do about the lack of asymmetry! After much procrastination and avoiding the issue I grabbed razor saw and got stuck in, using a Tamiya Mid that I had in the stash as a guide. The picture shows the result of much hacking around.
As the renovation proceeded it became clear that I should strip the Zimmerit and start again, so off that came, then the wheels. I now had a stripped, corrected turret Tiger 1. So back on the shelf it went for another 3 years .
Fast forward to the last couple of months and my modelling interest had dropped right off. I was picking up aircraft models, doing bits and pieces and putting them down. I needed to get back to something different, so back off the shelf came the Tiger .
Lots of research later and I decided to do 007, probably the most ignored Tiger in history..... not.
First thing was to modify the turret roof as the kit seems to represent a 40mm one, whereas research would now suggest a 25mm roof was present. I ran a thin strip of plasticard around the turret edge leaving a small hollow that I will be able to fill with weld. The roof also needed the weld line adding on the front section which can be seen in the following picture.
As can be seen I've also added a fine Zimmerit pattern to the gun mantlet, which has also had the machine gun hole filled. The course pattern Zimmerit on the turret was an experiment that didn't work so has been removed (again). Another issue arose due to the conversion from 40 to 25mm representation of the roof, the loaders hatch! Tamiya has I think correctly portrayed the later Tiger II type, which is wrong for my intended subject. Using a technique I had read about, I used my MId Tiger to copy the hatch. I glued the hatch into the roof with gator glue and allowed this to cure. I made sure the roof had been released first using liquid vaseline, otherwise I'd have ended up with a large blob of silicone very firmly bonded to my turret. Using bathroom silicone sealant I pushed and smeared this onto the area I was interested in, making sure it was forced into all recesses. 24 hours later the moment of truth.....it had worked, I now had a reasonable mould of the hatch I needed. Some PU resin and 25 minutes later I had a pretty good copy of the right loaders hatch in the closed position. A quick trim of the hinges on the 40mm roof and some cyano, and I now had a reasonable representation of a latish 25mm Tiger 1 turret.
That brings this up to date as of this morning. The picture shows the bits I'm going to use. The Eduard etch is actually for a mid, so I think I'll get the ET models Late set of fenders and details and go from there.
The final fly in the ointment are the rear idler wheels. Tamiya provide 700mm ones, but a late should have 600's, so what to do? As can be seen I have started turning the kit ones down as the Model Kasten ones are long gone. My intention is possibly to modify one, then cast new ones in either resin or metal. The other option is to use the ones provided with my Dragon 6253 kit as a master, but with the value of these things I'm not sure I want to remove stuff from sprues just in case I never get round to it.
Does anybody do 600mm idler wheels to save me making moulds, or is this a small business opportunity?
Any advice will be very gratefully received, and I blame Dannyd for this very long post .
Rich
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Tamiya Tiger 1 Late renovation
Drichc
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Posted: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 10:13 PM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 10:26 PM UTC
Don't blame me Nice too see you building again fella and by the look of it this will be a fantastic build thread. One to keep an eye on !
Keep it up Rich, now looking forward to seeing the zimmerit being applied.
Dan
Keep it up Rich, now looking forward to seeing the zimmerit being applied.
Dan
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Posted: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 10:41 PM UTC
I think the next steps will be to add the track hangers and FuG 5 mount on the turret, Zimmerit and then put aside.
It's great to be here Dan. There seem to be so many talented modellers and knowledgable people, that I'm looking forward to soaking up any tips/recommendations as I go.
Rich
It's great to be here Dan. There seem to be so many talented modellers and knowledgable people, that I'm looking forward to soaking up any tips/recommendations as I go.
Rich
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Posted: Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 09:19 PM UTC
Oops, just noticed I put 1979. It's 1989, but I'm sure most of you knew that.
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 05:01 PM UTC
I love your persistence. It reminds me when I took Tamiya's Panther A and made a Panther G before Tamiya made a G model. Keep it up! Remember how much the Cyber Hobby 007 Tiger is selling for on evil bay to give you a value of your work.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 08:23 AM UTC
Not much of an update I'm afraid. I've been waiting for the ET models updates which I now have.
As can be seen I've dabbled a bit, filled the track location holes in the turret, added the FuG 5 mount, etch mounts for the wading equipment on the ventilator, gun travel locks have been drilled into the turret roof, and I've done some filling on the hull ready to have the track guard mounts attached.
I've also been getting some of the etch ready to attach, such as the track mount bases which are missing on the Tamiya kit. The surface of the turret has been cut back since seeing close up pics of the real thing where it's obvious the surface texture is reasonably smooth, and the last thing I want is it to look like somebody coated it in sandtex.
Next stage will be to start filling holes where the tools go, Zimmerit , and making all the tool clamps (really looking forward to that ).
Being this is the first time I've attempted most of these techniques or products it could be a total disaster so I'm going to do another build to practice on. That will be in another thread, so keep an eye out and criticise where needed. I'm relying on you guys to stop me completely fubaring it.
A final thanks must go to Mike Roof and David Byrden for advising on the aerial fit for 007, and Dan for giving me the RBM shackles seen in the pic.
Rich
As can be seen I've dabbled a bit, filled the track location holes in the turret, added the FuG 5 mount, etch mounts for the wading equipment on the ventilator, gun travel locks have been drilled into the turret roof, and I've done some filling on the hull ready to have the track guard mounts attached.
I've also been getting some of the etch ready to attach, such as the track mount bases which are missing on the Tamiya kit. The surface of the turret has been cut back since seeing close up pics of the real thing where it's obvious the surface texture is reasonably smooth, and the last thing I want is it to look like somebody coated it in sandtex.
Next stage will be to start filling holes where the tools go, Zimmerit , and making all the tool clamps (really looking forward to that ).
Being this is the first time I've attempted most of these techniques or products it could be a total disaster so I'm going to do another build to practice on. That will be in another thread, so keep an eye out and criticise where needed. I'm relying on you guys to stop me completely fubaring it.
A final thanks must go to Mike Roof and David Byrden for advising on the aerial fit for 007, and Dan for giving me the RBM shackles seen in the pic.
Rich
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 08:58 AM UTC
Nice haul of parts Rich, i have a feeling that this could be one epic build in the making fella, i'll be keeping a close eye on this one.
Cheers
Dan
Cheers
Dan