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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2013 - 10:51 PM UTC
Thanks Frenchy for the link to the Tech Manual, Fantastic!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 02:18 AM UTC
Yes,thanks Frenchie,I was remiss in not remembering to thank you. You are always so glad to help and it is appreciated.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 05:35 AM UTC
Question: Did the M35 Transport Trailer have any kind of suspension? Or did those giantic tires serve AS the suspension?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 05:58 AM UTC
You're welcome guys. Talking about the M2 transport wagon suspension question, maybe the Hauler kit parts may help :





Allied-Axis #14 has several pics of the M1 240mm howitzer. I'm no expert, but I guess there was no real suspension. The big tires apparently compensate for that...

H.P.
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 08:58 AM UTC
Hi Jerry,

If you do scratchbuild your carriage, you might be interested in the wheels I just uploaded to Shapeways.com! These are specifically for the 240mm M1 carriage, and are based on the Firestone type tyres seen in a pic in Zaloga's Armored Victory.

Links:
full set of six

one each front & rear







The price is stiff, but they are big, and it takes six of 'em. (3D resin printing is priced by cubic cm...)

Hope these help! (If I had decent plans I'd design the whole carriage, but at the moment all I've got is oblique photos.)
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 02:36 AM UTC
Wow,those tires are the ticket for sure. If this kit is not in existance by the time I clear my bench of all of the lined up projects I will be greatly helped by these big babies. Thanks,
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 01:12 PM UTC

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The T designation isn't really indicative of the production status of WW II items. We made 250 T23 medium tanks but 20 M6 heavies; thousands of T17 Staghounds but only a handful of M7 medium tanks; 300 T19, 500 T30, and 1000 T48 half-track motor carriages and only 100 M12 155mm.

My point being though, you originally posted that you'd like to see these carriages in plastic. With one or two made and no service, that's really just fantasy.


I'm sure you must be right, however . . .

Let's see: T-28 US Super Heavy Tank; 1945
- 2 constructed, only one preserved @ Patton Museum, Ft. Knox, KY. 196? thru 2012. Now at Ft. Benning, GA
- vehicle never saw combat
- 5000+ plastic models currently in production; 2013

Also I believe I said I would be just as happy with a detailed set of plans. I would be more than willing to procure the necessary Stuart and Sherman suspensions and do the production work myself. Of course first we need a model of the 240mm gun to haul with those transport chassis (in 1/35th).
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 - 03:20 AM UTC

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In fact it could be the 8 inch Gun M1 (203 mm) as well . The transport wagons are the same (and so are the tractor options I think) :



I'm not 100% sure about that, but maybe the M4 High Speed Tractor is another option :



H.P.



YOU GUYS:
First off I'm on the wagon for wanting an 240mm.
But the M1 155mm, M59 155mm, M1 8", M115 8" were all wheeled
carriages so no limber or transporter was needed.
The M4 HMT was the tracked tractor that towed all of these

M1 240mm Howitzer:
Towed by either M33,M35, or M6 Heavy Howitzer Tractor on
M2 & M3 Cannon Carriage Trailers both 6 wheeled.
The Tractor & Towed trailer issues were not solved until the
development of the (2) SPH T92 & T93, which were built from modified T26E3 Pershing tank.
ROUNDS COMPLETE
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 - 04:29 PM UTC
Todd: the M1 155mm gun, M1 8" howitzer DID have the M1 2-wheeled limber-- indeed Master Productions made a resin update kit for the AFV Club kits tha included the M1 limber and a replacement set of wheels.

If you look up pictures of the M4 High Speed Trailer hauling either of these arty pieces, often the M1 limber is attached. (doing a quick google image check on "m4 hst" will confirm this). When the wheeled Mack NO (the other authorized prime mover for the 155mm gun and 8" howitzers) was used, the limber was less common because the truck didn't need the limber to effectively move the artillery piece. The M1 limber was a necessity when attaching the gun/howitzer to the M4 HST.

(Michael Koenig, CALLSIGN:165thspc, has a nice Mack NO with M1 155mm gun plus the Masters Productions M1 limber in tow -- search for it -- it's VERY nice)

Also, I think it'd be a stretch to say the two piece 240mm howitzer and 8" howitzer transport issues were "solved" by the development of the T92/T93 SPH. That vehicle series never entered production and never fired a round in anger whereas the 240mm howitzer continued to be in service until the 1950s, with extensive service in Korea.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 - 05:50 PM UTC

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I REALLY wish someone would do the 240mm gun and the T-17/-1 transport carriages in 1/35th. Oh well the armor model industry is expanding soooooooo much these days it is just not fair for me to want one of EVERYTHING!


Add your pick to Armorama's "Wishlist for 2015"...I'm sure someone out there for kit makers is looking...
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This could add to the desire. Wonder what was stripped to make this carriage behind an M35...

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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 - 06:46 PM UTC
Very cool pic. This thread fits well with a new one about the 240mm gun
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - 08:22 PM UTC
Great thread. We need more talk of making the 240mm available in plastic!
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - 08:33 PM UTC
REAL nice photo coverage of the 240mm by "Fidgit the Time Bandit at:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/34540417@N07/12022131526/in/photostream/
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 - 09:06 PM UTC
I started doing it in 3D CAD ages ago, based on a mixed bag of the Hauler kits, stacks of photos, and insufficient measurements for both the gun carriage and cradle carriage. The idea was to have all the parts necessary to model the gun (either barrel) emplaced, or broken into transport loads on the carriages. Got it maybe 75% done (still needs another week or three of revising what were 1:72 lumps into detailed 1:35 parts), but then my life changed and now it will take me ages to get the time to finish it. The hope was/is to 3D-print most of it at SW or similar and sell the patterns to a resin caster, but by the time I do some swine will release a cheap plastic kit!
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 03:26 PM UTC

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I REALLY wish someone would do the 240mm gun and the T-17/-1 transport carriages in 1/35th. Oh well the armor model industry is expanding soooooooo much these days it is just not fair for me to want one of EVERYTHING!


DITTO!!! Except for one thing- I DO want at least ONE of everything! US/Allied, that is! Multiple purchases of the same kit are entirely possible, in my sad case!!!

It RANKLES with me that the manufacturers of 1/35 PLASTIC or even resin kits continue to IGNORE the US 240mm Gun and T-17/-1 Transport Carriages, along with a PLASTIC Mack NO (the resin ADV AZIMUT and that OTHER resin NO disaster have multiple issues), while they fall all over themselves to produce the MOST OBSCURE WWII German "Paper Panzers" and "one-offs"!!! There are A LOT of US/Allied WWII and post-war possibilities for PLASTIC kits that they also "IGNORE with a passion", it seems...
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 03:34 PM UTC

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This could add to the desire. Wonder what was stripped to make this carriage behind an M35...



Hi, Mike! Probably a mid-to-late production M4, M4A1, M4A2, or M4A3 Medium-series Tank, or even a late M10 or M36, or possibly an M12, I'd say. That's a lot of "ors"...

The extensive mods are a given...
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This could add to the desire. Wonder what was stripped to make this carriage behind an M35...



Hi, Mike! Probably a mid-to-late production M4, M4A1, M4A2, or M4A3 Medium-series Tank, or even a late M10 or M36, or possibly an M12, I'd say. That's a lot of "ors"...

The extensive mods are a given...



It was Jon who asked that question - though that was a GREAT photo he posted that I had never seen!

These carriages were purpose built out of fresh parts though I too, at first, thought they were just " imagineered" by a motor pool somewhere.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 06:01 PM UTC
Roy Chow was nice enough to mention this 1/35th scale model above so I will post a photo and some links:



Photobucket Album:

http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/165thspc/library/WWII%20Mack%20NO%20Artillery%20Tractor?sort=3&page=1

Armorama Build Thread:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/196219&page=1
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2016 - 04:02 PM UTC

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I REALLY wish someone would do the 240mm gun and the T-17/-1 transport carriages in 1/35th.


Those carriages were never used, you know.

KL


I stand corrected on my wishes for the 240mm Gun with T-17/1 Transport Carriages-

I meant to say the M1 240mm Gun with M2 Transport Carriages, instead...
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Mech can you weigh in on that last statement?
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This could add to the desire. Wonder what was stripped to make this carriage behind an M35...



Hi, Mike! Probably a mid-to-late production M4, M4A1, M4A2, or M4A3 Medium-series Tank, or even a late M10 or M36, or possibly an M12, I'd say. That's a lot of "ors"...

The extensive mods are a given...



It was Jon who asked that question - though that was a GREAT photo he posted that I had never seen!

These carriages were purpose built out of fresh parts though I too, at first, thought they were just " imagineered" by a motor pool somewhere.


Sorry, Mike!

I read both posts one right after the other, and wrote your name instead of Jon's... It appears that we both thought the same thing at first, regarding the Transport Carriages... OOF!
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2016 - 05:51 PM UTC

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This could add to the desire. Wonder what was stripped to make this carriage behind an M35...



What river are they crossing? Very unique and interesting.
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some day....don't know when, (whenever the research material is adequate) I will attempt a build of the 240mm & prime
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What size tires are on the M114A1 155mm howitzer? There appears to be at least one kit of this is 1/35 scale.
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