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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 05:43 AM UTC
Why yes! Sumbo for T2K, Mobilwagon for RMG and getting ready to start one of those panther turret bunker thingies for Operation Cover-Up.

Glad you asked!

#:-)

Shaun
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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 05:44 AM UTC

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Why yes! Sumbo for T2K, Mobilwagon for RMG and getting ready to start one of those panther turret bunker thingies for Operation Cover-Up.

Glad you asked!

#:-)

Shaun



Heh heh - I can always count on you Shaun!

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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 06:06 AM UTC
I envy anyone with the motivation to tackle an interior. Scares the heck out of me. Where do you put the mud to hide the mistakes.

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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 06:08 AM UTC

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Scares the heck out of me. Where do you put the mud to hide the mistakes.



Too funny! Two in a row!

Gunnie
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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 06:53 AM UTC

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I envy anyone with the motivation to tackle an interior. Scares the heck out of me. Where do you put the mud to hide the mistakes.

Paul

Close the hatches Paul
I have a lot of respect for those of you who do partial/complete interiors. I've done several of the older Bandai 1/48 scale armor kits where 75% of the interior detail is covered up once you put the turret on or place a figure in the hatch. I had a lot of fun building those kits.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 09:39 AM UTC

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:-) - Paul, I'd love to see both the Interior before you vault it up into oblivion and the Hessian camo too!



One thing about interiors I've noticed at shows is that there is always a crowd of people around the model straining in all kinds of funny positions trying to peer inside. To see this amuses me to no end.

I'll start a new thread about my Hessian netting when I take some pictures. I actually wove my own netting since I couldn't find anything suitable... medical gauze looks fake and is fuzzy.

Paul.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 08:52 PM UTC

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Vodnick, should I stop scratch-building the interior of my Cromwell? I am having a lot of fun making it but it does seem pretty stupid to have all this fun considering that most of it won't be seen?



Paul,

... { consored ! }...

I decided to remove this post in its original form. It was way too emotional, as I got irritated by Paul for posting stuff like above, right after I explained in detail what I meant and that I don't mind what anyone is doing with their models and I never tried to impose any rules on anyone. But it appears that Paul's post was a joke! I would never have guessed, should he not explain it later... Sorry for this... Still have a lot to learn about very well hidden meanings of some English sentences

Rgds,
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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 09:22 PM UTC

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My posts were not personal attacks, but yours was.



Truth be told, I have no idea who you are and I wasn't even thinking about _you_, but rather I was thinking more of the concept. If I'd had known you'd be so sensitive to my sarcastic, humorous comment then I would not have made it. I feel sorry for you now because you seem to have personalized this so much.

Paul.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 10:34 PM UTC

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[Truth be told, I have no idea who you are and I wasn't even thinking about _you_, but rather I was thinking more of the concept. If I'd had known you'd be so sensitive to my sarcastic, humorous comment then I would not have made it. I feel sorry for you now because you seem to have personalized this so much.



Unfortunately I didn't realize that your post was a joke. There was nothing in it that could let me guess it was. No smiley, no nothing. Obviously it was not clear even for native English speakers, as Kelley didn't seem to see a humor in your post either. And if you was not thinking about _me_, than you should not address your question to me personally - it got me confused, you know...

Well if it was a joke, than I am sorry for my reaction and I apologize for it. But in the future I suggest using smileys. Should I see this " " in your post I would never consider responding in a way I originally did... (I censored my previous post to avoid escallation of this discussion.)

Now back to my Bradley (no, no interior in this one )... I will not write anything on this thread anymore, unless anyone asks me a question directly again.

Rgds,
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 03:43 AM UTC

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I am not going to say anything

Rob, as he quietly hides his scratchbuilt hull under his workbench.



LOL! Should I have done that too!?!

Gunnie :-)



.................me as well I guess, what with my War Wagon for the T2K Campaign sporting a full interior (there was no need for that considering the time alloted.....bad Tread!). :-)

Tread.

BTW, the interior I'm speaking about is inside the stretched M113 hull (not the HEMTT cab), and is entirely scratchbuilt. I used NO M113 parts at all, except the radio set. So, as you can see, the "personal internal debate'" still rages on!
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 04:04 AM UTC

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BTW, the interior I'm speaking about is inside the stretched M113 hull (not the HEMTT cab), and is entirely scratchbuilt. I used NO M113 parts at all, except the radio set.



Interior debate aside, since I haven't been keeping track of the T2K debate what is this streched M113 hull you are referring to? I'm a M113 junkie. Any relation to the new Australian upgrades?

Paul
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 04:09 AM UTC
Any coincidence between T2K and reality is purely accidental and probably bad for hardcore model accuracy purists!

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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 04:24 AM UTC

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BTW, the interior I'm speaking about is inside the stretched M113 hull (not the HEMTT cab), and is entirely scratchbuilt. I used NO M113 parts at all, except the radio set. So, as you can see, the "personal internal debate'" still rages on!



Oh, come on! If you use M113 hull for your monster then there must be enough big hatches in it to see all your work! That I can fully understand. All personel carriers should have interior (damn you Tamiya for those empty LVTP7/AAVP7 hulls!).

BTW, My aversion to invisible interiors is not limited to scratch built parts. I have a bag full of spare engine sprues from Tamiya M113s And soon will add an engine from Tamiya Schuetzenpanzer Marder to this collecion. I didn't built any of my models with open engine cover/hood yet, so even those interior parts included in kits were omitted.

Rgds,
Pawel
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 04:27 AM UTC

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All personel carriers should have interior (damn you Tamiya for those empty LVTP7/AAVP7 hulls!).



AMEN Brother! Man, I despised them for that one too! And wasn't too pleased with AFV Club's big old empty shoebox considering the retail price either!

Gunnie :-)
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 08:05 AM UTC

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HI. Have any of you modern builders checked out the DML Abrams that has just been posted on the track-link site? Has a complete interior to it and looks really nice. An inspiration to all builders I'd think.

Take care. sgrity


What is the site address? I tried track-links.com and got...... Porn!
ptruhe
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 08:21 AM UTC

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What is the site address? I tried track-links.com and got...... Porn!



http://www.track-link.net

Paul
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 10:23 AM UTC
You went to track-link.com, I hate those losers, anything to get their filth into our homes. The same goes for goggle.com
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 10:32 AM UTC

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You went to track-link.com, I hate those losers, anything to get their filth into our homes. The same goes for goggle.com



I posted this message about the problem on my site a month or so ago:

The domain track-link-dot-com used to be a software company that
developed software for tracking shipping (or something like that). They
went out of business.

There are some nefarious types who buy such defunct domains and sit on
them with the hopes of selling them back to the company if that company
ever revives their web presence. Since the old customers of the original
site continue to view this domain, sometimes, as in this case, these
domains are linked to such sites in order to make money from the
accidental "views" of the new site. Try this with old model sites that
used to exist, you'll find a few more surprises.

It is just bad luck that my domain track-link.net is similar to the old
shipping company domain track-link-dot-com.

Paul.

PS: Here is Adam's Abrams.
keenan
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 10:50 AM UTC
Pron on the web? Wow, I'm shocked. Who'd have thought? Ended up with some rather racy sites more than once searching for "German Models" with the search engine at work...

Shaun
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 12:31 PM UTC

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Pron on the web? Wow, I'm shocked. Who'd have thought? Ended up with some rather racy sites more than once searching for "German Models" with the search engine at work...

Shaun




LOL ROFL (++) (:-)
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 01:32 PM UTC

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BTW, the interior I'm speaking about is inside the stretched M113 hull (not the HEMTT cab), and is entirely scratchbuilt. I used NO M113 parts at all, except the radio set. So, as you can see, the "personal internal debate'" still rages on!



Oh, come on! If you use M113 hull for your monster then there must be enough big hatches in it to see all your work! That I can fully understand. All personel carriers should have interior (damn you Tamiya for those empty LVTP7/AAVP7 hulls!).

BTW, My aversion to invisible interiors is not limited to scratch built parts. I have a bag full of spare engine sprues from Tamiya M113s And soon will add an engine from Tamiya Schuetzenpanzer Marder to this collecion. I didn't built any of my models with open engine cover/hood yet, so even those interior parts included in kits were omitted.

Rgds,
Pawel



Geeez Louise Vodnik!........relax a couple of notches, you're going to give yourself high blood pressure or something. You're a great addition to Armorama and I prefer you healthy. :-)
All I was trying to say was that the finished interior 'debate' is really a moot point. I built my interior because I wanted to! I was significantly changing the configuration and the application of the M113 hull and so, wanted to at least change the interior portrayal and layout accordingly. I certainly didn't need to do it, but felt that at least an attempt at real ergonomics would serve the believability of the HEMTT hybrid GunTruck and (selfishly) help me with the overall layout and planning of the variant............that's all. Nothing more....honest.

Anyway.......to your additional point, regarding the big hatches and their ability to allow people to "see all my work".....I'm kind of planning on it. Not because I want to show the interior, but more, because I plan on showing the main hatch (normally the rear hatch, NOW the side hatch) open, showing a 'tease' of the interior appointments. In fact, the secondary hatch normally found in the top hull plate of the M163 (moulded in the closed position in the Italeri kit) I have taken the time to cut open with a jeweler's saw to display in the 'open' position as well. This is not to showcase, but simply to support my 'idea' of how my diorama should look.

Modeling should be a 'freeing' and supportive hobby, not just another endeavor to be challenged at every turn. I seriously 'immerse' myself in all of the wonderful projects you guys come up with. The 'interior debate', or the "to add PE, or not" debate should be saved for 'noob's' in my humble opinion.........my bad I suppose.

Regards,

Tread.
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 08:28 PM UTC

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Geeez Louise Vodnik!........relax a couple of notches, you're going to give yourself high blood pressure or something. You're a great addition to Armorama and I prefer you healthy. :-)



Tread,
Eeee... Actually I was completely "Louise" writing this post. It looks that I also forgot to add smiley Just as our dear Paul Owen did before, who BTW was very kind to call me "an idiot" in a private message. (Thank you, Paul - nice to meet such a kind gentelman...)

Rgds,
Pawel
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 08:34 PM UTC

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AMEN Brother! Man, I despised them for that one too! And wasn't too pleased with AFV Club's big old empty shoebox considering the retail price either!



Gunnie,

But at least Hobby Fan, AFV Club's sister company, quickly released resin interior fot it. Sure it is not cheap, but it is available. Can't say that about Tamiya Amtracs - no interior set whatsoever

Rgds,
Pawel
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Posted: Friday, December 05, 2003 - 01:36 AM UTC
Just a suggestion for the moderators of this forum :
what about adding a CIP in the list of emoticons to prevent "friendly fires" caused by misunderstandings ?

Just my 2 cents

Frenchy (back in his fox hole)

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