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right color for WW-2 US army winter coat?
avenue
Joined: May 25, 2013
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Posted: Thursday, September 05, 2013 - 03:07 AM UTC
Riich model,east meet west ,one figure feature US army wearing a winter coat,the color for the coat said US khaki,wait a minute, I was told that US army never adapted the khaki color,correct me, it look like Tamiya dark earth.
WARCLOUD
Joined: March 31, 2012
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Posted: Thursday, September 05, 2013 - 03:45 AM UTC
This is the subject of endless debates. There is no official USGI spec color "khaki"..however, it still doesn't mean there isn't a khaki tan color..
See, the US uses contractors to produce military gear. and in WW2, there were a LOT of contractors. So you get a whole lot of variations in color on any one kind of gear...web gear, backpacks, 1936 ammo belts, rucksacks..and yes, uniforms. You take 5 or 6 USGI trousers and jackets from different years, you'll have 5 or 6 different colors. Similar, but different.
So when something has a color spec of "OD Green" or "Olive Drab"...or " Brown"..that can be any number of different shades. There is no right answer to your question.
See, the US uses contractors to produce military gear. and in WW2, there were a LOT of contractors. So you get a whole lot of variations in color on any one kind of gear...web gear, backpacks, 1936 ammo belts, rucksacks..and yes, uniforms. You take 5 or 6 USGI trousers and jackets from different years, you'll have 5 or 6 different colors. Similar, but different.
So when something has a color spec of "OD Green" or "Olive Drab"...or " Brown"..that can be any number of different shades. There is no right answer to your question.
jrutman
Joined: April 10, 2011
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Posted: Thursday, September 05, 2013 - 05:32 AM UTC
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This is the subject of endless debates. There is no official USGI spec color "khaki"..however, it still doesn't mean there isn't a khaki tan color..
See, the US uses contractors to produce military gear. and in WW2, there were a LOT of contractors. So you get a whole lot of variations in color on any one kind of gear...web gear, backpacks, 1936 ammo belts, rucksacks..and yes, uniforms. You take 5 or 6 USGI trousers and jackets from different years, you'll have 5 or 6 different colors. Similar, but different.
So when something has a color spec of "OD Green" or "Olive Drab"...or " Brown"..that can be any number of different shades. There is no right answer to your question.
I would agree with Gary here but I also think it is indeed a safe bet to use Tamiya dark earth as the coats tended to be more medium brown than khaki.
There is a great example on the box art for Dragons' 101st Abn in the Ardennes kit.
J
chumpo
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Posted: Thursday, September 05, 2013 - 07:22 AM UTC
My father was old army, he called it the regular army. He was stationed in the Philippines right before ww2 and he tell us of pulling guard duty in Intramuros , the old old city of Manila in his khakis because the woolen uniforms were just too darn hot. The color of the uniforms was a lot lighter than the Tamiya color. It was also the same uniforms that was issued to the Philippine Scouths . If you look at the pictures of the Bataan death march the Americans were wearing the tropical khaki's.
jrutman
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Posted: Thursday, September 05, 2013 - 08:49 AM UTC
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My father was old army, he called it the regular army. He was stationed in the Philippines right before ww2 and he tell us of pulling guard duty in Intramuros , the old old city of Manila in his khakis because the woolen uniforms were just too darn hot. The color of the uniforms was a lot lighter than the Tamiya color. It was also the same uniforms that was issued to the Philippine Scouths . If you look at the pictures of the Bataan death march the Americans were wearing the tropical khaki's.
This is all true but I thought the question was about the wool overcoat?
chumpo
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Posted: Thursday, September 05, 2013 - 11:52 AM UTC
Sorry I was mentioning the color khaki not the woolen overcoat. My father had one of those even in the tropics and it was a brown drab color. He also had an overcoat in khaki but it was not of woolen material.
jrutman
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Posted: Friday, September 06, 2013 - 01:47 AM UTC
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Sorry I was mentioning the color khaki not the woolen overcoat. My father had one of those even in the tropics and it was a brown drab color. He also had an overcoat in khaki but it was not of woolen material.
No worries buddy. I think the khaki coat was probably the"raincoat" or trenchcoat?
J
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Friday, September 06, 2013 - 03:26 AM UTC
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Quoted TextSorry I was mentioning the color khaki not the woolen overcoat. My father had one of those even in the tropics and it was a brown drab color. He also had an overcoat in khaki but it was not of woolen material.
No worries buddy. I think the khaki coat was probably the"raincoat" or trenchcoat?
J
Hi, All! If you would like to see what color US ARMY "Olive Drab" wool actually looks like, refer to the EXCELLENT book: "The WORLD WAR II GI", US Army Uniforms, 1941-45 IN COLOR PHOTOGRAPHS, By Richard Windrow & Tim Hawkins from The Crowood Press, ISBN 1 86126 302 3... In this book, you will find the best beautiful color photos of WWII US Army Uniforms in print. This book and my actual WWII US ARMY & USMC uniforms are the only references I use to model any and all of my 1/35 US Army figures. The book depicts ACTUAL dress, work, and combat uniforms, as well as accessories, weapons, and combat gear.
Many kit and figure painting instructions call for the use of BROWN to depict "woolen" WWII US ARMY garments. This is entirely incorrect. I personally custom mix ALL my uniform paint colors to match my references, ie my uniforms and the aforementioned Windrow & Hawkins GI book. For the most part, I disregard kit and figure painting instructions when it comes to uniforms as they are invariably inaccurate, even when compensating for "scale effect", age, and/or wear...
The color you are looking for is much closer in hue to a slightly darkened FS 34087 OD- TESTORS MODEL MASTER II Enamel (1711), or FLOQUIL ACRYLIC (F505360) SOVIET KHAKI. I usually add just a drop or two of BROWN to my FS 34087 to achieve the desired shade of OD.
PLEASE NOTE: this custom-mixed color is intended ONLY for WWII US OD wool; for the OD that I use on my US WWII AFVs and Softskins, I start out with slightly darkened TESTORS 1787 GREEN DRAB as my base color.
Hope this helps you- Nothing is as accurate as the real thing right in front of your eyes...
chumpo
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Posted: Friday, September 06, 2013 - 03:46 AM UTC
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. His boots was also brown .Quoted TextSorry I was mentioning the color khaki not the woolen overcoat. My father had one of those even in the tropics and it was a brown drab color. He also had an overcoat in khaki but it was not of woolen material.
No worries buddy. I think the khaki coat was probably the"raincoat" or trenchcoat?
J
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