Meng Model have just announced the release of a 1/35 scale French Char 2C heavy tank.
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Char 2 Behemoth Build
Isherman
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Posted: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - 08:28 AM UTC
Beastmaster
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Posted: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - 11:23 AM UTC
Great news but there's already a thread.........
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/213663&ord=&page=1
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/213663&ord=&page=1
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - 12:43 PM UTC
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Great news but there's already a thread.........
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/213663&ord=&page=1
Your link is not the site's "official news" thread. I believe that marketing and kit reviews relates to having an official thread. But, I'm not looking to step on any toes here.
CMOT
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Posted: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - 01:30 PM UTC
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Great news but there's already a thread.........
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/213663&ord=&page=1
David we are required to make official news posts on the site as while the thread started by Hisham will be seen by most members it is not seen by all, also news threads also generate information on the Kimaker Network facebook page as well.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 09:23 AM UTC
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Meng Model have just announced the release of a 1/35 scale French Char 2C heavy tank.
Link to Item
If you have comments or questions please post them here.
Thanks!
Thanks for the GREAT NEWS!!! A CHAR 2C!!! Who would have ever guessed that any plastic model kit manufacturer would have ever had the cohones to come out with this one? While dozens of modellers were fretting, making bets, peeing in their pants and biting their fingernails over what the new MENG TS-007 kit was going to take form in, (ho-hum, another Leopard) MENG REEEEALLY came out of left field to throw TS-009 at us with this ENTIRELY NEW Char 2C!!! It reminds me of the US/British "Liberty"-series tanks, which right now are only available as full resin kits. Dare we hope?
This new kit is definitely aimed at the discriminating Armor and AFV collector, and will undoubtedly be popular with Pre-WWII French Armor modellers, along with the guys that model WWII stuff, AND the guys that like to model Armor and AFVs of all eras. This Char 2C will look very nice alongside my Char B1 bis and Char B1, and of course my Renault R-35s, Hotchkiss 35 and 38/39s, and my Somua S-35...
Off Topic: How about a new 1/35 M3 Lee/Grant? I've given up on the M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage that AFV CLUB advertised for years and then- poof! You don't see the M8 in any of AFV CLUB's propaganda any more. An entirely new M3 Lee/Grant would surely be much less of a gamble on the market than this new Char 2C...
Recently, I also saw in CYBERMODELLER's "Future Kit Updates" that HOBBY BOSS has pushed their #85503 US M19 Tank Transporter and #83801 US White 666 Hard-Cab 6x6 Truck from 2013 into 2014. ?????
Is HOBBY BOSS going to pull the same shenanigans with their M19 and White 666 that DRAGON did with their M3 Lee and AFV CLUB did with their M8 HMC..?
CMOT
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 09:44 AM UTC
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Off Topic: How about a new 1/35 M3 Lee/Grant? I've given up on the M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage that AFV CLUB advertised for years and then- poof! You don't see the M8 in any of AFV CLUB's propaganda any more. An entirely new M3 Lee/Grant would surely be much less of a gamble on the market than this new Char 2C...
What is wrong with the Academy one now that they corrected the issue with the bogies? And it even has a pretty good interior.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 12:19 PM UTC
Why is this item titled "Char 2 Behemoth Build"? It has noting to do with building anything - it is a kit announcement.
This brings up a recent trend here, the use of cute but worthless headings or titles for news items. It's bad enough that one must click on the post, then click on a link to actually read what the post is about, but when the title is misleading or unfathomable (like "Shrinking Stowage") it is downright annoying.
KL
This brings up a recent trend here, the use of cute but worthless headings or titles for news items. It's bad enough that one must click on the post, then click on a link to actually read what the post is about, but when the title is misleading or unfathomable (like "Shrinking Stowage") it is downright annoying.
KL
wbill76
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 01:24 PM UTC
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Recently, I also saw in CYBERMODELLER's "Future Kit Updates" that HOBBY BOSS has pushed their #85503 US M19 Tank Transporter and #83801 US White 666 Hard-Cab 6x6 Truck from 2013 into 2014. ?????
Is HOBBY BOSS going to pull the same shenanigans with their M19 and White 666 that DRAGON did with their M3 Lee and AFV CLUB did with their M8 HMC..?
The M19 Tank Transporter isn't even going to be released under the Hobby Boss label. It's been moved to the Merit International label instead. As for the fate of the 666, that still remains to be seen.
jon_a_its
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 01:15 AM UTC
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Quoted TextRecently, I also saw in CYBERMODELLER's "Future Kit Updates" that HOBBY BOSS has pushed their #85503 US M19 Tank Transporter and #83801 US White 666 Hard-Cab 6x6 Truck from 2013 into 2014. ?????
Is HOBBY BOSS going to pull the same shenanigans with their M19 and White 666 that DRAGON did with their M3 Lee and AFV CLUB did with their M8 HMC..?
The M19 Tank Transporter isn't even going to be released under the Hobby Boss label. It's been moved to the Merit International label instead. As for the fate of the 666, that still remains to be seen.
I'll build my resin one... That'l hurry them up! 
buuut... it's by FM.... 
SdAufKla
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 01:58 AM UTC
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Why is this item titled "Char 2 Behemoth Build"? It has noting to do with building anything - it is a kit announcement.
This brings up a recent trend here, the use of cute but worthless headings or titles for news items. It's bad enough that one must click on the post, then click on a link to actually read what the post is about, but when the title is misleading or unfathomable (like "Shrinking Stowage") it is downright annoying.
KL
While it might be off-topic (the new Char 2C kit announcement), I do agree with Kurt. Titles for threads, especially those started by the staff, should be more informative and to the point.Once or twice might be "cute," but constantly trying to out-do each other with "witty" and "catchy" titles has become tiresome not to mention the time wasted trying to sort through what's relevant to my interests and what's not.
Note that there is a difference between being "brief" and being "cute and cryptic." You can post a short title and message and still be informative. I understand that the staff has a lot of new stuff to announce, so the need for brevity is clear.
In the end it's counter-productive to publicizing new products, since I pretty much don't bother opening up threads with "mystery catchy" titles anymore.
I should say the same pretty much goes for regular posters who start threads with cryptic and uninformative titles - I usually don't even bother to open them, much less read or comment.
Life's too short and the internet is too big...
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 07:38 PM UTC
There might be some marketing "psychology" in this:
A short and to the point heading will attract only those with that special interest.
A mystery heading might attract more viewers since curiosity is a powerful motivator, as in the fear of: "Am I missing out on something important if I do not open this thread ? "
So the big question is: Which type of title attracts the most viewers? Check the left and right sides of the window for a clue as to why it is important (for all of us) that many viewers are attracted.
The next question to ponder is if a few grumpy users (I would tend to put myself in that category, maybe not yet but soon.....) that do not view threads with cryptic/witty/catchy headings makes a noticeable impact on the answer to the first question. This would lead to this equation: Is the number of users lured by catchy headings minus the grumpy ones larger than the number of users attracted by the informative headings?
An informative heading allows me to ignore a post that doesn't interest me, for instance: when I already know that ICM will release another L1500 fire truck I can skip the thread about 'ICM puts out fires'.
/ Robin
Off topic (about catchy headings): My wife just got an e-mail from a cosmetics store with the heading: "Victoria's Secret % 38% on Juicy Tubes"
A short and to the point heading will attract only those with that special interest.
A mystery heading might attract more viewers since curiosity is a powerful motivator, as in the fear of: "Am I missing out on something important if I do not open this thread ? "
So the big question is: Which type of title attracts the most viewers? Check the left and right sides of the window for a clue as to why it is important (for all of us) that many viewers are attracted.
The next question to ponder is if a few grumpy users (I would tend to put myself in that category, maybe not yet but soon.....) that do not view threads with cryptic/witty/catchy headings makes a noticeable impact on the answer to the first question. This would lead to this equation: Is the number of users lured by catchy headings minus the grumpy ones larger than the number of users attracted by the informative headings?
An informative heading allows me to ignore a post that doesn't interest me, for instance: when I already know that ICM will release another L1500 fire truck I can skip the thread about 'ICM puts out fires'.
/ Robin
Off topic (about catchy headings): My wife just got an e-mail from a cosmetics store with the heading: "Victoria's Secret % 38% on Juicy Tubes"
Paulinsibculo
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 10:48 PM UTC
Just for your info:
This tank type was build in 1921 in very little numbers ( some state 10 pcs.)
It never saw active war time duty since the French Government scrapped them in May 1940 to avoid further use by the Germans.
It is an inter-bellum vehicle.
This tank type was build in 1921 in very little numbers ( some state 10 pcs.)
It never saw active war time duty since the French Government scrapped them in May 1940 to avoid further use by the Germans.
It is an inter-bellum vehicle.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 11:33 PM UTC
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Just for your info:
This tank type was build in 1921 in very little numbers ( some state 10 pcs.)
It never saw active war time duty since the French Government scrapped them in May 1940 to avoid further use by the Germans.
It is an inter-bellum vehicle.
Yup ! That's true :-) but it is still a really cool model and a lot more interesting than all the various "paper panzers" used by the Wehrmacht in 1946 ;-)
Now if someone (Meng? Are you listening??) could do the German K-Wagen (building started during the war, the one or two halfbuilt ones were scrapped I think ...)
/ Robin
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013 - 12:21 AM UTC
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There might be some marketing "psychology" in this:
A short and to the point heading will attract only those with that special interest.
A mystery heading might attract more viewers since curiosity is a powerful motivator, as in the fear of: "Am I missing out on something important if I do not open this thread ? "
So the big question is: Which type of title attracts the most viewers? Check the left and right sides of the window for a clue as to why it is important (for all of us) that many viewers are attracted.
The next question to ponder is if a few grumpy users (I would tend to put myself in that category, maybe not yet but soon.....) that do not view threads with cryptic/witty/catchy headings makes a noticeable impact on the answer to the first question. This would lead to this equation: Is the number of users lured by catchy headings minus the grumpy ones larger than the number of users attracted by the informative headings?
I think grumpy users will increase markedly in both number and grumpiness if they suspect that the wording of headings is chosen as part of a scheme calculated to manipulate page views and bump advertising revenue rather than provide information.
KL
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013 - 01:13 AM UTC
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I think grumpy users will increase markedly in both number and grumpiness if they suspect that the wording of headings is chosen as part of a scheme calculated to manipulate page views and bump advertising revenue rather than provide information.
KL
Just to let you know there is absolutely no attempt to manipulate page views for any reason. The goal of the news is provide viewers with access to information on newly released or upcoming kits and/or accessories. The goal of the titles is to have unique titles that may be a little inquizative and maybe a little fun. Stating the name of the release in the title is rather boring and if that is done, why bother writing a news story. My goal for Armorama is to make the site interesting and fun for users, unlike some of the other sites out there. And I beleive the popularity of Armorama proves the point.
This is a community, and not all people will like the same thing, and there is expected to be differences in opinions. With that said, we can't please everyone.
CMOT
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013 - 02:00 AM UTC
While I have been guilty of running some cryptically named news threads in the past, I fail to see what you are complaining about here. The name of the vehicle is in the title which I would have thought would make it blindingly obvious what the news story was about, I know the word 'build' is at the end of the title which is a little odd but I am not in the head of the editor and so I do not know what he was thinking.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013 - 04:13 AM UTC
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Off Topic: How about a new 1/35 M3 Lee/Grant? I've given up on the M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage that AFV CLUB advertised for years and then- poof! You don't see the M8 in any of AFV CLUB's propaganda any more. An entirely new M3 Lee/Grant would surely be much less of a gamble on the market than this new Char 2C...
What is wrong with the Academy one now that they corrected the issue with the bogies? And it even has a pretty good interior.
Hi, Darren! Even with the "corrected" bogies and a nice interior, there are still a few issues with the ACADEMY M3Lee/Grant kits- the shapes of the turrets, and some of the features and shapes of the upper hull panels are not quite right. The details are just a bit more heavy-handed than a TASCA or a newly-tooled TAMIYA offering would be. I have one each of the two ACADEMY M3 kits, mainly because no one else has bothered to cast better M3 Mediums-except for the old and awful TAMIYA kits.
I'm sure that you'd agree with me when I say that TASCA or some of the other quality armor kit manufacturers could provide us with better M3 Mediums. I'm not saying that ACADEMY's M3s are bad kits, just that they could stand to be a little bit better...
What I'm REALLY put-off about is the lack of a state-of-the-art M8 HMC... 
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013 - 04:31 AM UTC
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Quoted TextRecently, I also saw in CYBERMODELLER's "Future Kit Updates" that HOBBY BOSS has pushed their #85503 US M19 Tank Transporter and #83801 US White 666 Hard-Cab 6x6 Truck from 2013 into 2014. ?????
Is HOBBY BOSS going to pull the same shenanigans with their M19 and White 666 that DRAGON did with their M3 Lee and AFV CLUB did with their M8 HMC..?
The M19 Tank Transporter isn't even going to be released under the Hobby Boss label. It's been moved to the Merit International label instead. As for the fate of the 666, that still remains to be seen.
Don't look now but CYBERMODELLER still lists the M19 under the HOBBY BOSS label. I am aware that MERIT INTERNATIONAL is supposed to be doing the M19, but I hadn't read or noticed anything about MERIT picking up their M19 from HOBBY BOSS. Do you think the 666 and the M19 will actually make it into production, or will they be swept under the rug as DRAGON did with the M3 and AFV CLUB did with the M8..?
PS- I REALLY like the idea of a Char 2C making it into the realm of 1/35 armor. Even though the 2C was an inter-war vehicle, this kit will be right at home alongside the ZVEZDA/ALANGER T-28 and T-35. What with the EASTERN EXPRESS, ZVEZDA and TAMIYA BT-series tank kits, pre-war and early WWII armor are interesting in that they fill in the blanks between the two world wars. COMMANDER MODELS has some really great resin kits of tanks in this era, but I think that plastic kits of these vehicles would be very welcome with modellers who hesitate in plunking down their hard-earned money for the expensive resin kits...
CMOT
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013 - 04:39 AM UTC
Dennis I may be wrong but I believe you will find all of the noise about turret shape when it was released was in error, as I am sure that it was later acknowledged to be accurate.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013 - 04:54 AM UTC
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Dennis I may be wrong but I believe you will find all of the noise about turret shape when it was released was in error, as I am sure that it was later acknowledged to be accurate.
OK, I'll have to admit that I stand corrected. Question: Is it worth it to use the LEGEND Conversion (upper hull, turret, etc) for the ACADEMY Lee/Grant kits?
CMOT
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013 - 05:23 AM UTC
That I cannot answer and it may be best to start a thread asking that question.
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