This video is from January of 2013, gives an interesting view of how tanks die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TLS1sqMl8
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RPG-29 kills Syrian T-72
corsair924
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 05:44 AM UTC
iowabrit
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 08:09 AM UTC
Of course, people died too....or isn't that important? It is to me, being an ex tankie.
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 08:15 AM UTC
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Of course, people died too....or isn't that important? It is to me, being an ex tankie.
Yeah, no matter who they are it's rather rough watching that as you know it was a pretty violent, though hopefully quick, death. Frankly I'm cheering the guy who flopped out on the ground behind the tank in the seconds before it went up. Note the lack of pants?
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 08:58 AM UTC
Jeeze, the other tanks run out of gas?
"Hey, 11A just brewed up, now the small arms ammo is cooking off, should we leave the kill zone, or continue with our operation of drawing out RPG fire"
"Hey, 11A just brewed up, now the small arms ammo is cooking off, should we leave the kill zone, or continue with our operation of drawing out RPG fire"
woodstock74
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Jeeze, the other tanks run out of gas?
"Hey, 11A just brewed up, now the small arms ammo is cooking off, should we leave the kill zone, or continue with our operation of drawing out RPG fire"
Yeah, they don't seem to be in any hurry to get out of there...
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 09:35 AM UTC
It's very sobering knowing there was a crew inside that tank.
I would be curious to know the chemistry of that cook off: instead of a violent explosion, there is an ignition of some kind that sets the tank on fire internally until the MG rounds begin to go off, though there are no big explosions of the gun's ammunition. Anyone have any insight into that?
I would be curious to know the chemistry of that cook off: instead of a violent explosion, there is an ignition of some kind that sets the tank on fire internally until the MG rounds begin to go off, though there are no big explosions of the gun's ammunition. Anyone have any insight into that?
iowabrit
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 10:19 AM UTC
I'm guessing the propellant carousel cooked off.
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 10:45 AM UTC
Hi Guys;
This was part of the Video on the Battle for Darriya in Syria, the original video was Thirty Two (32) minutes long.
And at the end is where this action took place; The T-72 in question takes the Hit in the rear quarter of the hull.
T-72s store there Ammo in a Round Carousel that's directly under the turret, and the Main Gun ammo is made up of two parts. The Warhead and the Propellant Charge Bags which are stored in the Auto-Loader carousel, when the T-72 took the Hit the Force went into the Fighting Compartment and into the Charge Bags setting them Off. Which is called a Cook Off, The Person that's seen in the video is the Gunner, and He is Blown Thru his open Hatch and lands on the ground.
Charge Bags when hit Burn with a Very Intense Heat, that's why you see the Turret that appears too go up in Flames. In Most Cases when Taking such a Hit the Tank gets Decapitated, or Losses its Turret if you like.
This is one of the Major weakness of the Soviets Design.
CHEERS; MIKE.
This was part of the Video on the Battle for Darriya in Syria, the original video was Thirty Two (32) minutes long.
And at the end is where this action took place; The T-72 in question takes the Hit in the rear quarter of the hull.
T-72s store there Ammo in a Round Carousel that's directly under the turret, and the Main Gun ammo is made up of two parts. The Warhead and the Propellant Charge Bags which are stored in the Auto-Loader carousel, when the T-72 took the Hit the Force went into the Fighting Compartment and into the Charge Bags setting them Off. Which is called a Cook Off, The Person that's seen in the video is the Gunner, and He is Blown Thru his open Hatch and lands on the ground.
Charge Bags when hit Burn with a Very Intense Heat, that's why you see the Turret that appears too go up in Flames. In Most Cases when Taking such a Hit the Tank gets Decapitated, or Losses its Turret if you like.
This is one of the Major weakness of the Soviets Design.
CHEERS; MIKE.
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 10:57 AM UTC
Russian/Soviet tanks are so vulnarable with their auto loader ready rounds in the carousal. They cook pretty easy and when it comes to crew protection they are really lacking. I was reading some of the comments with the video and mean no offense to our friends in the former soviet countries.....but even the latest greatest T-80/84 or T-90 pale in comparison with western armor and the "concept" of protecting the crew. In that regard they're re-hashed 1960-1970 Tech.
Doh!! Mike G. posted while I was typing my response....
Doh!! Mike G. posted while I was typing my response....
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 02:34 PM UTC
Sorry Steve, I don't mean to be impersonal, I've studied military history for a long time and was talking as I've often read, by referring to the target without the crew.
I realized the difference a long time ago.
Depth-charge the U-boat, don't think about how the crew died.
Yeah, as soon as I saw this I realized the crew.
I realized the difference a long time ago.
Depth-charge the U-boat, don't think about how the crew died.
Yeah, as soon as I saw this I realized the crew.
grimmo
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 08:58 PM UTC
what a horrible way to die
dylans
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2013 - 02:46 AM UTC
+1
I am sure most of you have seen this thread, but if not lots of video of T72's in syria. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?224625-Syria-powerful-T-72-Tank-Raids/page15
I am sure most of you have seen this thread, but if not lots of video of T72's in syria. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?224625-Syria-powerful-T-72-Tank-Raids/page15
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2013 - 03:13 AM UTC
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Sorry Steve, I don't mean to be impersonal, I've studied military history for a long time and was talking as I've often read, by referring to the target without the crew.
I realized the difference a long time ago.
Depth-charge the U-boat, don't think about how the crew died.
Yeah, as soon as I saw this I realized the crew.
No problem
WilliamDeCicco
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2013 - 04:24 AM UTC
These are some good reference for Syrian tanks.
Happy modelling
Happy modelling
easyco69
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2013 - 05:04 AM UTC
the German's already said that long ago, "never take a tank into a city"
Here's A BMP in Syria, total destruction. RIP
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c59_1339072723
ps - use the "embed" code to paste into post area.
Here's A BMP in Syria, total destruction. RIP
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c59_1339072723
ps - use the "embed" code to paste into post area.
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2013 - 05:44 AM UTC
The problem with the long video Gino posted is it jumps around. At times it seems like the same tank shot over and over, and it's hard to evaluate the damage done by the shooting since there's a lot of smoke, then a jump cut to another scene, then back, etc.
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2013 - 05:51 AM UTC
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I would be curious to know the chemistry of that cook off: instead of a violent explosion, there is an ignition of some kind that sets the tank on fire internally until the MG rounds begin to go off, though there are no big explosions of the gun's ammunition. Anyone have any insight into that?
Bob
Whats happening there is not the high explosives going off but the burning of the propellent charges in the autoloader carousel under the crew.
this link shows where the carousel is located.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/pt91t72cw6.jpg/
The RPG uses (as do most light anti-tank weapons from the Panzerfaust onward) a shaped charge warhead.
This explodes on contact forming a jet of superheated metal which burns through the armor.
'Course then you have superheated jet meeting high energy propellent charge in confined a space and you see what happens.
If the hatches had been locked the overpressure probably would have blown the turret OFF!
Unfortunately most of the Soviet tanks do not have any bulkheads between the crew and the ammo. Yes better accessibility (I used to read that they had major issues with jamming) and lower weight but at the cost of lowering the crew's chances of survival when/if hit.
M1 Abrams have automatic doors between the crew and the ammo storage in the turret bustle, with 'blowout' panels above designed to redirect outside the brew-up saving the crew and the rest of the tank.
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Posted: Saturday, November 09, 2013 - 12:40 AM UTC
don't want to say to much but America lost several Abrams Tanks in Iraq to the RPG-29 it even penetrated the frontal armor of a Challenger 2 and the most important detail everyone is missing from this Video is the tank is a T-72M1 the export T-72 with less armor than the T-72Bs and B1s and it also lacks re-active armor ... I have seen several videos on youtube where rpg-29s have no impact as they have hit Syrian Arab Army re-active armor
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Posted: Saturday, November 09, 2013 - 02:49 AM UTC
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i agree...at the very least i would expect some recon fire from the coax just to keep the hommies heads downJeeze, the other tanks run out of gas?
"Hey, 11A just brewed up, now the small arms ammo is cooking off, should we leave the kill zone, or continue with our operation of drawing out RPG fire"
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