Яusso-Soviэt Forum: Cold War Soviet Armor
For discussions related to cold war era Russo-Soviet armor.
For discussions related to cold war era Russo-Soviet armor.
Hosted by Jacques Duquette
Was Trump's T72B 1989 used in combat
jwest21
Joined: October 16, 2006
KitMaker: 3,374 posts
Armorama: 3,126 posts
Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 06:15 AM UTC
I thought I saw the answer here a while back but cannot find it. Was Trumpeter's T-72B boxing ever used in combat by any nation? Looking for some inspiration for some markings- doesn't necessarily have to be Russian, either. Any pics? Thanks
stephane
Joined: October 10, 2005
KitMaker: 432 posts
Armorama: 429 posts
Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 06:44 AM UTC
There're a lot of photos of this version in Chechnya but all with earlier tracks. Chechnians used a few ones against Russians who used them too.
The Russian ones were often with slat armor on the hull and turret.
The Russian ones were often with slat armor on the hull and turret.
jwest21
Joined: October 16, 2006
KitMaker: 3,374 posts
Armorama: 3,126 posts
Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 07:21 AM UTC
Thanks...normally I would search google but I don't know much about Russian armor and wasn't sure what models I was looking at...some that came up under T-72B 1989 didn't seem to look like the Trumpeter kit (different ERA to begin with)
hugohuertas
Joined: January 26, 2007
KitMaker: 1,024 posts
Armorama: 1,013 posts
Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 07:22 AM UTC
I may be wrong, but I believe that the kit "as is" did not see combat action. The only pics I found are of vehicles in parades or in peacetime deployment
Anyway, it can be "converted" to "in combat" version with a few mods like replacing the tracks, not placing some of the additional armor blocks, etc.
Not sure if the gunners sight is correct for those versions, have to check references
Anyway, it can be "converted" to "in combat" version with a few mods like replacing the tracks, not placing some of the additional armor blocks, etc.
Not sure if the gunners sight is correct for those versions, have to check references
jwest21
Joined: October 16, 2006
KitMaker: 3,374 posts
Armorama: 3,126 posts
Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 07:44 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I may be wrong, but I believe that the kit "as is" did not see combat action. The only pics I found are of vehicles in parades or in peacetime deployment
Anyway, it can be "converted" to "in combat" version with a few mods like replacing the tracks, not placing some of the additional armor blocks, etc.
Not sure if the gunners sight is correct for those versions, have to check references
nothing is ever easy
jwest21
Joined: October 16, 2006
KitMaker: 3,374 posts
Armorama: 3,126 posts
Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 02:01 PM UTC
I ordered the Trumpeter T-72 workable tracks. Any other suggestions? What camo scheme would be likely for Georgia or Chechnya if this version served- all green?
grunt136mike
Joined: November 24, 2012
KitMaker: 1,896 posts
Armorama: 1,858 posts
Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 04:57 PM UTC
Hi Jason
In the First Chechnya war, soviet units were drawn from all over the Former Soviet Union, units were shipped that did not even have there own gear or vehicles. And were Given Equipment that they had little or no training with. ie; The T-80, vehicles could be seen in many forms of camo, including all Green. In the Second War things were better and units were more organized. In Georgia the Soviets were Prepared for what lay ahead of them, they had learned there lesson well.
CHEERS; MIKE.
In the First Chechnya war, soviet units were drawn from all over the Former Soviet Union, units were shipped that did not even have there own gear or vehicles. And were Given Equipment that they had little or no training with. ie; The T-80, vehicles could be seen in many forms of camo, including all Green. In the Second War things were better and units were more organized. In Georgia the Soviets were Prepared for what lay ahead of them, they had learned there lesson well.
CHEERS; MIKE.
Cuny12
Joined: April 04, 2010
KitMaker: 378 posts
Armorama: 348 posts
Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 10:53 PM UTC
Hello Mike Interesting info regarding the Chechnya conflict I've become very interested since my foray into soviet armor I have a question in regards to the camo that u mention do u know if the T-72B served in Chechnya in the green brown and grey scheme that's in trumpeters painting guide Thanks in advance Cheers Cuny12
jwest21
Joined: October 16, 2006
KitMaker: 3,374 posts
Armorama: 3,126 posts
Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 07:37 AM UTC
I found these pictures of a "T-72BM". I thought I remember that the T-72B was often mislabeled as the BM, so maybe these will work?
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1166182425/t-72bm+cammo+and+usage
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1166182425/t-72bm+cammo+and+usage
grunt136mike
Joined: November 24, 2012
KitMaker: 1,896 posts
Armorama: 1,858 posts
Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 02:32 PM UTC
Hi Jason; And Ben.
If you are going too show a Vehicle from the first war in Chechnya,then the all one color Green is the one too use. Now the Question is which shade of Green too use, the Blog from 54 should be useful. The Vehicles with the Bar Armor is a real nice subject, just make sure too show Heavy Weathering on your Subject ! The all Green would Fade very Fast.
Ben; In answering your question the Camo, that's on the Box Art depicts a Parade vehicle, and not a system that is common with units in the field. The Soviet version of the Merdec camo, is more common.
G-Day; MIKE.
If you are going too show a Vehicle from the first war in Chechnya,then the all one color Green is the one too use. Now the Question is which shade of Green too use, the Blog from 54 should be useful. The Vehicles with the Bar Armor is a real nice subject, just make sure too show Heavy Weathering on your Subject ! The all Green would Fade very Fast.
Ben; In answering your question the Camo, that's on the Box Art depicts a Parade vehicle, and not a system that is common with units in the field. The Soviet version of the Merdec camo, is more common.
G-Day; MIKE.
jwest21
Joined: October 16, 2006
KitMaker: 3,374 posts
Armorama: 3,126 posts
Posted: Friday, November 22, 2013 - 03:17 AM UTC
Thanks Mike!
Leopold
Joined: January 26, 2004
KitMaker: 446 posts
Armorama: 235 posts
Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 07:58 PM UTC
Hello gents,
So am i right to say to make an accurate t-72ba from the current trumpeter kit i would have to remove the ERA on the manlet and change out the tracks?
So am i right to say to make an accurate t-72ba from the current trumpeter kit i would have to remove the ERA on the manlet and change out the tracks?
grunt136mike
Joined: November 24, 2012
KitMaker: 1,896 posts
Armorama: 1,858 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 08:18 AM UTC
Hi Chuanren;
The T-72 that were talking about is the T-72bm, now I am not quite sure which T-72 is the ba that you are referring too. Correct me if I am wrong, and if JD can correct me that would be helpful, have you looked into the Tamiya kit.
If you can post a picture of your T-72ba that mite be useful, as far as the tracks are concerned the RMSH or the kits tracks should be the ones too use. Are you basing your build on a Special vehicle, and have references too fall back on then you mite have too resort too a AM company for the details that you need.
GOOD LUCK; MIKE.
The T-72 that were talking about is the T-72bm, now I am not quite sure which T-72 is the ba that you are referring too. Correct me if I am wrong, and if JD can correct me that would be helpful, have you looked into the Tamiya kit.
If you can post a picture of your T-72ba that mite be useful, as far as the tracks are concerned the RMSH or the kits tracks should be the ones too use. Are you basing your build on a Special vehicle, and have references too fall back on then you mite have too resort too a AM company for the details that you need.
GOOD LUCK; MIKE.
Jacques
Joined: March 04, 2003
KitMaker: 4,630 posts
Armorama: 4,498 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 09:21 AM UTC
T-72B improved with K-5 ERA = T-72BM
Iraqi war makes T-72's look bad so...
T-72BM becomes T-90.
Simple.
Iraqi war makes T-72's look bad so...
T-72BM becomes T-90.
Simple.
Leopold
Joined: January 26, 2004
KitMaker: 446 posts
Armorama: 235 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 01:46 PM UTC
Hello,
I was referring of making this kit
to
this
of which the main difference is the tracks. Are there any more features that are different as well?
I was referring of making this kit
to
this
of which the main difference is the tracks. Are there any more features that are different as well?
jwest21
Joined: October 16, 2006
KitMaker: 3,374 posts
Armorama: 3,126 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 03:03 PM UTC
Quoted Text
T-72B improved with K-5 ERA = T-72BM
Iraqi war makes T-72's look bad so...
T-72BM becomes T-90.
Simple.
Marketing!
grunt136mike
Joined: November 24, 2012
KitMaker: 1,896 posts
Armorama: 1,858 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 08:30 PM UTC
Hi Chuanren;
The only other track that you could use is the standard RMSH tracks that are also in use. And this kit is just fine as a OOB build, and should not need a lot of extras. The only thing that you mite consider is a Metal Barrel, if you are building the vehicle in your post then you will need too show a lot of Damage, Esp; too the side skirts.
GOOD LUCH; MIKE.
The only other track that you could use is the standard RMSH tracks that are also in use. And this kit is just fine as a OOB build, and should not need a lot of extras. The only thing that you mite consider is a Metal Barrel, if you are building the vehicle in your post then you will need too show a lot of Damage, Esp; too the side skirts.
GOOD LUCH; MIKE.
Leopold
Joined: January 26, 2004
KitMaker: 446 posts
Armorama: 235 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 10:21 PM UTC
Noted! Many thanks! 
afv_rob
Joined: October 09, 2005
KitMaker: 2,556 posts
Armorama: 2,199 posts
Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 11:02 PM UTC
Quoted Text
of which the main difference is the tracks. Are there any more features that are different as well?
That is a T-72B fitted with K-V ERA,. The T-72 (BM) is actually the incorrect designator for a T-72BA (T-72BM strictly speaking is the designator for the 'Rogatka'.
To build the Trumpeter kit as a T-72B with K-V you need to remove the DVE-BS cross wind sensor for the fire control system from the turret and also slightly modify the exhuast outlet, as the BA has the upgraded engine pack.
AlexClark
Joined: January 16, 2013
KitMaker: 31 posts
Armorama: 31 posts
Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 - 11:35 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted Text
of which the main difference is the tracks. Are there any more features that are different as well?
That is a T-72B fitted with K-V ERA,. The T-72 (BM) is actually the incorrect designator for a T-72BA (T-72BM strictly speaking is the designator for the 'Rogatka'.
To build the Trumpeter kit as a T-72B with K-V you need to remove the DVE-BS cross wind sensor for the fire control system from the turret and also slightly modify the exhuast outlet, as the BA has the upgraded engine pack.
Yes, this is good advice as the wind sensor should be removed for the version used in Chechnya. The Trumpeter kit looks more like a T-72BA from the early 2000s. Most BA had the upgraded engine, but these earlier production BA examples had the original T-72B engine and exhaust. The kit may have right ones of these for the vehicle in question.
 |
WEB HOSTING BY
Copyright ©2021 Armorama and Kitmaker Network, a subsidiary of Silver Star Enterprises
All Rights Reserved. Please read our Conditions of Use and Privacy Policy.
All Rights Reserved. Please read our Conditions of Use and Privacy Policy.