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DML kit announcement: MBT 70!
ericadeane
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 10:50 PM UTC
Wow!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1399607_784396731586815_557359228_o.jpg

I got this from Roman Volchenkov over on ML
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 11:14 PM UTC
Thanks for the update.

A modern 'paper panzer'.

More about this "mother of all Leopards" on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBT-70
HeavyArty
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 11:27 PM UTC
I hope it does come about. It will be a good addition to Cold War collections.
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 12:24 AM UTC
Finally! wish do come to true! new tooled M103 MBT70 and M2A3!
happay Christmas
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 12:50 AM UTC
Another resin kit (Commanders...) to be stored in the stash that will never be opened again ....
/ Robin
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 12:52 AM UTC
*quickly checking my calendar...

Ok, whew, it isn't April 1st...
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 01:14 AM UTC
Was going to order the commanders kit this cyber monday. Will wait for the plastic kit now thank you dragon. Looking forward to this release. Anyone selling there resin ones?
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 01:52 AM UTC
Nice !
Means I'll have an excuse to go to the WTS in Koblenz to have a closer look of the real thing !

Cheers
Christopher
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 01:57 AM UTC
yawn.. I built the ancient 1/48 Aurora(??) kiddie kit waayyyyy back in the day and dont really need to go back.

more left on the shelves for you guys then I guess.

Mike

who was secretly hoping for a PACV hovercraft..
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 02:03 AM UTC
Hello,

these are fantastic news!!!

It would seem so that we can be happy about more and more Cold War vehicles!!!


Cheers
1.90E_31
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 02:11 AM UTC
Good news, but this isn't an MBT-70. That's the German Kpz70, which has some different features from the US version. But, it is close enough...
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 02:13 AM UTC

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Good news, but this isn't an MBT-70. That's the German Kpz70, which has some different features from the US version. But, it is close enough...


The US version was to mount the newly developed Continental AVCR air-cooled V-12 diesel of 1,470 horsepower (1,100 kW). German versions originally used a similar Daimler-Benz model, but later moved to an MTU design of 1,500 horsepower (1,100 kW). The MTU unit could, for maintenance reasons, be easily taken out of the tank, along with the drive train, for a trained crew in approx. 15 minutes. Both versions could reach 43 miles per hour (69 km/h) on their engines, compared to 30 miles per hour (48 km/h) for the T-62.
18Bravo
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 02:14 AM UTC
I'm sort of nonplussed. Like Mike, I built the Aurora one years ago, with a lot of extra detail, and even had about a 75% solution going on a 1/35 scratchbuild before I lost interest and sold the whole project to someone else.

I'm not going to be one of those people who say "Man, I wish it has been this or that." I know what's coming down the pike, and there are plenty of other great kits coming soon that actually saw service.

I'm happy for everyone who needed to fill their Cold War niche. Again, other things await.
ChrisJohnson
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 02:21 AM UTC

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yawn.. I built the ancient 1/48 Aurora(??) kiddie kit waayyyyy back in the day and dont really need to go back.


Heck, that Aurora kit was the first tank model I ever built and nostalgia is the reason I'll be buying one. I sure hope the suspension work.

Cheers,

Chris
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 02:38 AM UTC
I'm pretty excited about this one, especially as it appears to have a displayable and detailed AA gun. A lot of niches in 1/35 armor have been filled the last few years.

Matt
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 03:02 AM UTC
I didn't want one until I saw it... its got great 'what-if' potential!
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 05:43 AM UTC
Nice and technically not a paper panzer since a working prototype is located in Koblenz (WTS). A real big beast btw. dwarfing even UTE (Jagdpanther 234).

But more important: Will DML release the little Munga or Iltis (not totally sure but I say Munga) in the background as well? THAT (preferably the Iltis) would be a great kit since it was for some decades the "german/belgian/canadian jeep"
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 05:49 AM UTC

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Will DML release the little Munga or Iltis (not totally sure but I say Munga) in the background as well?


Looks like a Munga for sure, like the resin one released by CMK



H.P.
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 07:10 AM UTC

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Good news, but this isn't an MBT-70. That's the German Kpz70, which has some different features from the US version. But, it is close enough...


What differences were there? From my research, the biggest difference was the powerplant. Were there any major external differences?
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 08:06 AM UTC

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Good news, but this isn't an MBT-70. That's the German Kpz70, which has some different features from the US version. But, it is close enough...


What differences were there? From my research, the biggest difference was the powerplant. Were there any major external differences?


IIRC the Koblenz prototype has a 120mm canon and not the 152mm gun/launcher. Other differences might be the searchlight (the Munster prototype has a Leopard 1 style searchlight mounted) and maybe the tools

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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 08:11 AM UTC
For Pete's sake! What do I do now with the resin Commander Models version loitering within my stash!?

Clearly I can no longer keep up!

Hats off to Dragon - they certainly come up with the goods.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 08:14 AM UTC

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Good news, but this isn't an MBT-70. That's the German Kpz70, which has some different features from the US version. But, it is close enough...


What differences were there? From my research, the biggest difference was the powerplant. Were there any major external differences?


IIRC the Koblenz prototype has a 120mm canon and not the 152mm gun/launcher. Other differences might be the searchlight (the Munster prototype has a Leopard 1 style searchlight mounted) and maybe the tools



Also from my research, Germany was developing both the 120mm gun (Keiler tank) and 152mm gun/launcher version and were planning on deploying both versions. After the Germans pulled out of the MBT-70 program, the 120 gun Keiler was further developed into the Leopard 2 tank.

I bet the model can be built as either version with a couple minor parts changes.
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 08:20 AM UTC

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Good news, but this isn't an MBT-70. That's the German Kpz70, which has some different features from the US version. But, it is close enough...


What differences were there? From my research, the biggest difference was the powerplant. Were there any major external differences?


IIRC the Koblenz prototype has a 120mm canon and not the 152mm gun/launcher. Other differences might be the searchlight (the Munster prototype has a Leopard 1 style searchlight mounted) and maybe the tools




I'm not very familiar with the US version but the German one I looked over at Munster had the Leo 1 IR light, German head and taillights, Leopard 1 style smoke launchers, Leopard 1 telephone box, Leopard 1 style turret grab handles and rear convoy light. Here are some pics I took at Munster this past October.







HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 08:31 AM UTC
Yup, looks lkie the US version had the standard US headlights for the time with wire guards, 3 individual smoke grenade launchers pers side in the same style as on the M551, no grab handles on the turret sides, and no German convoy light on the rear. It looks pretty easy to convert or have the optional parts in the box for either.






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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 08:53 AM UTC

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Good news, but this isn't an MBT-70. That's the German Kpz70, which has some different features from the US version. But, it is close enough...


What differences were there? From my research, the biggest difference was the powerplant. Were there any major external differences?


Other than the ones that have already been mentioned, the major one I know of is that the power packs made the rear decks different. Doing some quick Google-Fu, you can see the US version here:



And the German version here:



I'm not sure if the turret top blow out panels are common or specific to the US version. The picture of the kit referenced at the beginning definitely show that the German rear deck is the one being modeled. Also, the announced kit from Hobby Fan also showed this feature.

Jon

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