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WyattClark
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 05:08 AM UTC
Hey all, I'm new to this forum and I'm kinda new to building dioramas. I was wonder would a diorama of the battle of Kursk that is roughly 24" X 36" be too big? it will be a 1/35 scale diorama.
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 05:11 AM UTC
Depends what you put in it.
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 05:19 AM UTC
I would think a lot about how it might eventually be moved if you ever want to save all that work, etc. I started building a large diorama like that in my twenties, in a spare room, but when I had to move it all had to come apart as there was no way to effectively move it out, and save the 200+ hours I had invested in it.

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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 05:22 AM UTC
I agree with Jerry, Depends on what's in it
If you can add enough stuff to fill the area and keep it detailed then no, but that is quite large, being new to the diorama world you may want to scale it down a little to get your feet wet (gets expensive too!)
Tell us more of the planned layout.
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 05:46 AM UTC
What I am planning to do is a sort of long term dio with figures as follows, 2 T 34-76 tanks a SU-152 2 57mm soviet anti tank guns 1 76mm anti tank gun a maxim machine gun various Russian and German infantry and a couple of german tanks.
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 06:21 AM UTC
there are few risks with building large dio's, the biggest is never getting it finished.

Another problem is that it is becoming just a parking lot for a lot of vehicles and many figures that are just being placed randomly.

From what you are telling I think your dio will be far too crowded with vehicles. I advise you to first focus on the story, what is it that you want to tell? A sudden ambush when a vehicle loses a track. Germans inspection a captured Russian tank? and so on...Once you know that, select a few vehciles only. For your diorama I would not choose more than 2 tanks and perhaps two smaller weapons, liked an AT gun or 4x4. Makes sure everything is placed in a position that makes sense from a militairy point of view and which also raises the viewers interest.

i once made a diorama with 1 ruined house and one vehicle which was in total 15'' X 15''. It took me half a year to complete it and to make it look right....
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 06:30 AM UTC

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there are few risks with building large dio's, the biggest is never getting it finished.

Another problem is that it is becoming just a parking lot for a lot of vehicles and many figures that are just being placed randomly.

From what you are telling I think your dio will be far too crowded with vehicles. I advise you to first focus on the story, what is it that you want to tell? A sudden ambush when a vehicle loses a track. Germans inspection a captured Russian tank? and so on...Once you know that, select a few vehciles only. For your diorama I would not choose more than 2 tanks and perhaps two smaller weapons, liked an AT gun or 4x4. Makes sure everything is placed in a position that makes sense from a militairy point of view and which also raises the viewers interest.

i once made a diorama with 1 ruined house and one vehicle which was in total 15'' X 15''. It took me half a year to complete it and to make it look right....



Kursk was crowded with vehicles and infantry.
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 06:31 AM UTC
You might be better suited to make several smaller dioramas modules that can be placed together when done.
One of the most common mistakes new diorama builders make is starting too large. Most of the time the project is never finished. I suggest that you attempt a small segment of your larger idea, maybe a T-34 and an anti-tank gun emplacement. I think it will be more gratifying to you as a builder to work and detail a more compact dio. It's also easier to cart around to shows.
Cheers,
C.
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 09:45 AM UTC
Hi Wyatt - - I'm working on my second fairly large 1/35 diorama right now - (the 1/35 scale truck fabrication shop in the dio category, its about 30" x 42")

I will echo what others have mentioned, that yes, it's possible to do a big build, but, remember it could/will likely (!) take fairly long time to complete.

Something to keep in mind, is that as you are building with no directions per-se, (just your imagination + theme/story) you will set the level of rigor/detail/complexity required to finish the project.

That is, if you start with a super high level of detail, you will need to (not literally need to, but you have established the design/build criteria, so, once you're moving in one direction, it can be hard to shift to another) follow through with that level, in order for the project to look cohesive - This can open up some opportunities, for long, slow, and sometimes tedious tasks (hahha...believe, me, it happens)- It looks good when done, but takes some work.

You'll also discover that in some cases, even after doing what you think (and the clock tells you!) is lots of work, on a big layout, it can almost be lost (yet very relevant to the overall "picture")....and appear to be just one heck of a fancy workbench, or stack of perfectly weathered ammo boxes...or cluster of junk, or weeds, really nice tree, etc....

I like the big builds, but am in it knowing full well - it will take some time, cost some money...and i must keep marching!

Maybe a bit of advice - i find to keep interested in the project, i switch back and forth between working on structures and vehicles fairly frequently - a couple of weeks on building/s then vehicles - and so on -

cheers

Nick
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 10:26 AM UTC
When I started out my dios were large.Finished most.
But from my experience it was bit of a mistake.Once the model building took full hold of me they were starting to take up too much room.Next they were in the garage and just this summer I had to break down and toss a pretty good looking Nam fire base that I had spent hours on making Milliput sandbags.Also consider dust.It's hard enough keeping small ones dust free.Luckily with my work I had access to some large showcases.One I have still has 2 large dios in it,but could probably hold a half a dozen smaller ones.

Tom
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 10:28 AM UTC
my advice is to first do all your models and figures and leave the diorama base for last. make a carton base with your dimensions and start playing with your models around and plan where everything goes. Take your time in doing this until you feel satisfied with where everything is and looks.
Again is important to know sometimes "less is more".
Good luck and show us some photos of your plan so we can help
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 11:02 AM UTC
As an avid diorama builder, my main advice would be to make sure you know what story you're trying to tell with your build and then decide if all of the items you selected will fit. Putting a lot of vehicles and equipment in a diorama just for the sake of having a lot of them can lead to scenes that are jumbled, confused, and not altogether convincing.
As others said, play around with the layout of your vehicles and see what works best and don't hesitate to leave something out if it seems out of place or leaves the base feeling overcrowded. While battlefields can be crowded, it doesn't really look right to have vehicles fender to fender while under fire or preparing to attack.
Like any artistic endeavor, it takes time and trial and error to figure out the ins and outs of making dioramas. The more of them you make, the better your feel for them will get. So practice, practice, practice.
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 07:51 PM UTC

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Hi Wyatt - - I'm working on my second fairly large 1/35 diorama right now - (the 1/35 scale truck fabrication shop in the dio category, its about 30" x 42")

I will echo what others have mentioned, that yes, it's possible to do a big build, but, remember it could/will likely (!) take fairly long time to complete.

Something to keep in mind, is that as you are building with no directions per-se, (just your imagination + theme/story) you will set the level of rigor/detail/complexity required to finish the project.

That is, if you start with a super high level of detail, you will need to (not literally need to, but you have established the design/build criteria, so, once you're moving in one direction, it can be hard to shift to another) follow through with that level, in order for the project to look cohesive - This can open up some opportunities, for long, slow, and sometimes tedious tasks (hahha...believe, me, it happens)- It looks good when done, but takes some work.

You'll also discover that in some cases, even after doing what you think (and the clock tells you!) is lots of work, on a big layout, it can almost be lost (yet very relevant to the overall "picture")....and appear to be just one heck of a fancy workbench, or stack of perfectly weathered ammo boxes...or cluster of junk, or weeds, really nice tree, etc....

I like the big builds, but am in it knowing full well - it will take some time, cost some money...and i must keep marching!

Maybe a bit of advice - i find to keep interested in the project, i switch back and forth between working on structures and vehicles fairly frequently - a couple of weeks on building/s then vehicles - and so on -

cheers

Nick



Amen to that! Well summarized so I can't add anything else except wondering since when that size is already considered big!? LOL Sorry, I could not resist

Have a nice weekend

Claude

Greets
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Posted: Friday, December 13, 2013 - 04:09 AM UTC
I think will go about this project by building my models first and then building the dio base. I have already chosen my first of the models, a Bronco Su-152 early production. Once I have the model and get started I will create a new thread and post some pics.
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Posted: Friday, December 13, 2013 - 05:21 AM UTC
I have a friend that builds Flames of War terrain that he sells to people. Some of his boards are 8' square, sometimes bigger.

What he does is use 1/4" MDF and cuts them into 1'X 1' squares to make it easier to pack and move for players to take their game boards to tournies and games. You can easily hide the seams with grass and such.
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Posted: Friday, December 13, 2013 - 06:23 AM UTC

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Hey all, I'm new to this forum and I'm kinda new to building dioramas. I was wonder would a diorama of the battle of Kursk that is roughly 24" X 36" be too big? it will be a 1/35 scale diorama.



HI Wyatt,

I did a diorama a couple of years ago...7`8" x 1` showing a village in on the Russian-Ukrainian border area just after Kursk..... just pace yourself and do each area at a time.

All the buildings were Scratch built. starting with the small simple stuff first, the well and the pig sty, then the fence...as I said take your time and enjoy it.

Anto




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Posted: Friday, December 13, 2013 - 11:33 PM UTC
Nice one Anthony!

I like the way you avoided the potential traps of a big dio and concentrated the scene around a tight space.

Claude
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Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 12:31 AM UTC

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Hey all, I'm new to this forum and I'm kinda new to building dioramas. I was wonder would a diorama of the battle of Kursk that is roughly 24" X 36" be too big? it will be a 1/35 scale diorama.



HI Wyatt,

I did a diorama a couple of years ago...7`8" x 1` showing a village in on the Russian-Ukrainian border area just after Kursk.....



Very impressive work!!! I have to take much lessons from this

Cheers


Garry
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Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 03:20 AM UTC

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Nice one Anthony!

I like the way you avoided the potential traps of a big dio and concentrated the scene around a tight space.

Claude




LOL!!!!!!

Well it was either 1/35 or 1/72 and my fingers are way too big for 1/72


Some close ups of what can go into a large scale dio.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/anto_on_the_hill/7204830480/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/anto_on_the_hill/7204832564/in/photostream/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/anto_on_the_hill/7204818386/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/anto_on_the_hill/7204820722/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/anto_on_the_hill/7204823056/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/anto_on_the_hill/7204825458/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/anto_on_the_hill/7204827760/in/photostream/
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Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 03:27 AM UTC
That truck fabrication shop dio is Fantastic! You have no problem with size there! (And your photography is phenomal as well!) Hats off to you my friend!
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Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 12:07 PM UTC

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That truck fabrication shop dio is Fantastic! You have no problem with size there! (And your photography is phenomal as well!) Hats off to you my friend!




Truck Fabrication shop?

Anto
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Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:01 AM UTC
Yes, make sure you can move it. Other than that, go for it. It always struck me how incredibly tiny most military dioramas were. A model railroad might fill a 20' x 30' room and be detailed down to the traffic tickets let on the windshield of a car parked in an alley plus the whole thing may have lights, sound and motion. Get with it guys, think bigger! : )

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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 09:36 AM UTC
Do what makes you happy and you will be happy with what you do. Sounds like a fun diormama to work on.
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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 09:54 AM UTC

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Yes, make sure you can move it. Other than that, go for it. It always struck me how incredibly tiny most military dioramas were. A model railroad might fill a 20' x 30' room and be detailed down to the traffic tickets let on the windshield of a car parked in an alley plus the whole thing may have lights, sound and motion. Get with it guys, think bigger! : )

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YESSSS!!!! That is seriously fine work there for sure.
J
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