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Posted: Friday, January 03, 2014 - 04:39 AM UTC
I was just taking a look at AFV Club future releases and one of them, AF35202, is a 17lb'er apparently crewed by Airborne, judging from their Dennison smocks, on the box art. Isn't a 17lb'er a bit big for glider transport, considering it needs a prime mover also too big for the glider?
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Posted: Friday, January 03, 2014 - 05:41 AM UTC
IIRC there were at least some 17lbers at Arnhem, they would have arrived in Hamilcars, as did their prime movers.
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Posted: Friday, January 03, 2014 - 06:10 AM UTC
Is the Hamilcar a big glider? Because I thought the jeep was the biggest vehicle they could glider transport, and even then only after trimming it down a bit to fit. What vehicle for towing the 17lb'er would fit a Hamilcar?
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Posted: Friday, January 03, 2014 - 08:46 AM UTC
Look here for the story:

http://arnhemjim.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-17-pounder-anti-tank-guns-at.html
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Posted: Friday, January 03, 2014 - 09:22 AM UTC

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IIRC there were at least some 17lbers at Arnhem, they would have arrived in Hamilcars, as did their prime movers.



Having been to Arnhem, I was told that a number of 17pdrs were flown in, along with 4 25pdr guns. The 25pdrs gave the Tigers a bit of a shock.


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Is the Hamilcar a big glider? Because I thought the jeep was the biggest vehicle they could glider transport, and even then only after trimming it down a bit to fit. What vehicle for towing the 17lb'er would fit a Hamilcar?



On D-Day the British dropped Tetrarch tanks using Hamilcar gliders.
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Posted: Friday, January 03, 2014 - 09:50 AM UTC
The Hamilcar was capable of carrying light tanks (Tetrarch and Locust), carriers, the 17 Pdr and the limber vehicle which was a stripped down Morris truck. I hasten to add not all at once!

'Hope this helps.
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Posted: Friday, January 03, 2014 - 09:55 AM UTC
Hamicars are quite a bit larger than Horsa's or WACOs. A Hamicar will easily take 17 pdr and will take a Tetrarch or M22 Locust, which they brought over the Rhine during that assault.

The WACO was the smallest of the three and would only just take a Jeep. The Horsa cuold easily take the Jeep's mass, although it was a bit of a tight fit, plus a couple more crew besides.

The WACO load was ~4100 lb
Horsa ~7500 lb
Hamicar ~ 15000 lb
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