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Miniart's US Horsemen Normandy
Hisham
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2014 - 12:37 AM UTC
Finally some test shots.. I like this set.. something a little different than the usual
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retiredyank
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2014 - 01:03 AM UTC
I didn't know that we still had mounted cavalry during the Normandy operations.
Hisham
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2014 - 01:15 AM UTC
I don't know.. that's what the box art says
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Graywolf
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2014 - 01:22 AM UTC
Photo: Courtesy of The National World War II Museum, New Orleans, USA
U.S. Airborne troops at St. Mère Église, Normandy, France, in June 1944.
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M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2014 - 01:34 AM UTC
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I didn't know that we still had mounted cavalry during the Normandy operations.
We didn't- These are not US Cavalry- Rather, they are one US Infantry GI, (29th Infantry) and one US Airborne Trooper (82nd/101st)...
US Cavalry became motorized prior to World War II. Look at the box-top illustrations closely, and you'll find unit patches on both figures' upper arms. Certain units came upon Normandy farms and "commandeered" a few horses here and there, expediting communications during the more or less chaotic hours of the 6 June, 1944 Invasion.
I DO, however, question the saddles on both horses- It's conceivable that both the GI and the Paratrooper found saddles to sit upon, but it's just as unlikely that they had the time to look for them... ??? Anyway, this set IS out of the ordinary, and therefore, interesting...
easyco69
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2014 - 02:53 AM UTC
I may have to buy this kit, it's odd.
I have most of the German Dragon Horsey sets.
I have most of the German Dragon Horsey sets.
jrutman
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2014 - 03:23 AM UTC
This was a field expedient way of solving the scarcity of vehicles right after the invasion. Troops used things like this to send messages between split up groups of troops as a lot of radios were malfunctioning and/or lost.
They also used captured German vehicles. In the same sequence of pics there are paras using a kettenkraftrad and a schwimwagen. These were not as desirable because of trigger happy GIs with raw nerves!
Nice set of figs but I am kind of surprised they chose to put this set out. Very limited uses I think. Nicely done though.
J
They also used captured German vehicles. In the same sequence of pics there are paras using a kettenkraftrad and a schwimwagen. These were not as desirable because of trigger happy GIs with raw nerves!
Nice set of figs but I am kind of surprised they chose to put this set out. Very limited uses I think. Nicely done though.
J
SdAufKla
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2014 - 04:39 AM UTC
I believe that these are two different "character" figures.
One represents one of the soldiers shown in the photo posted by Engin, the other is (I think) supposed to represent "Joe Medicine Crow" on the horse that he stole from a German officer:
Wikipedia::Joe Medicine Crow
As a young man on his "stolen" horse:
As a doctor of Native American history:
There was a lot of discussion when these figures were first announced.
Happy Modeling!
One represents one of the soldiers shown in the photo posted by Engin, the other is (I think) supposed to represent "Joe Medicine Crow" on the horse that he stole from a German officer:
Wikipedia::Joe Medicine Crow
As a young man on his "stolen" horse:
As a doctor of Native American history:
There was a lot of discussion when these figures were first announced.
Happy Modeling!
Biggles2
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Posted: Sunday, January 26, 2014 - 03:01 AM UTC
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I didn't know that we still had mounted cavalry during the Normandy operations.
Even with parachutes, it must have been a challenge to get the horses to jump from a plane.
Paulinsibculo
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Posted: Sunday, January 26, 2014 - 05:35 AM UTC
If one takes a closer look, the dark horse still wears a bridle over the normal tack. These bridles were used to give the horse more movement in the mouth, during rests, feeding etc.
Since a Wehrmacht Grenadier Division had about 1,290 horses in service (against only 57 motorized vehicles) it is most likely that this couple was 'drafted' by some airborne cowboys!
And while doing so, the pratice of scouting by horse also was (re-)introduced into the US Army. Though, a ride just for fun may be more likely.
Since a Wehrmacht Grenadier Division had about 1,290 horses in service (against only 57 motorized vehicles) it is most likely that this couple was 'drafted' by some airborne cowboys!
And while doing so, the pratice of scouting by horse also was (re-)introduced into the US Army. Though, a ride just for fun may be more likely.
davidne
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Posted: Sunday, January 26, 2014 - 06:28 AM UTC
With a little conversion of the riders, I can see these being used for post-war constabulary troopers.
easyco69
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Posted: Monday, January 27, 2014 - 04:26 AM UTC
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I believe that these are two different "character" figures.
One represents one of the soldiers shown in the photo posted by Engin, the other is (I think) supposed to represent "Joe Medicine Crow" on the horse that he stole from a German officer:
Wikipedia::Joe Medicine Crow
As a young man on his "stolen" horse:
As a doctor of Native American history:
There was a lot of discussion when these figures were first announced.
Happy Modeling!
I'm definitely getting this set!! Thx for the info. I'm Native American , Tuscarora from the Iroquois Six Nations.
Railspltr
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Posted: Monday, January 27, 2014 - 01:37 PM UTC
Perhaps not so far out of the ordinary. My dad was in N. Africa, Sicily and Italy with the 5th Army. One of his stories about Italy was about he and his buddies finding abandoned German horses and riding them fore ward until they made contact with the enemy. I have a picture somewhere of him and one of the horses, but it only shows their heads and no equipment. Probably not an authorized unit practice, but young G.I.s have a tendency to try anything especially if it means being able to ride rather than walk.
SdAufKla
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Posted: Monday, January 27, 2014 - 03:02 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextI believe that these are two different "character" figures.
One represents one of the soldiers shown in the photo posted by Engin, the other is (I think) supposed to represent "Joe Medicine Crow" on the horse that he stole from a German officer:
Wikipedia::Joe Medicine Crow
As a young man on his "stolen" horse:
As a doctor of Native American history:
There was a lot of discussion when these figures were first announced.
Happy Modeling!
I'm definitely getting this set!! Thx for the info. I'm Native American , Tuscarora from the Iroquois Six Nations.
Joe Medicine Crow's story was fascinating.
As I recall, he was the last known Native American to fully "qualify" as a chief in the old traditions - He led a true war party, counted coup on an enemy, and stole an enemy's horse in battle, all accomplishments that a warrior was expected to achieve before he could claim the right to lead his tribe.
He's certainly deserving of the recognition garnered by the figure.
jowady
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Posted: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 - 02:28 PM UTC
Thanks for posting about Chief Joe Medicine Crow, what an incredible life he has led in War and in Peace.
1stjaeger
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Posted: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 - 09:11 PM UTC
Agreed! I personally like the "full qualification" criteria! He was lucky to find enemies with horses!! Would be difficult today!
Fascinating storyline for a truly exceptional personality!!
A thread that did not really interest me that much proved invaluable as I've learned all this info on chief Joe Medicine Crow!
Thanks for bringing it up Mike!
Cheers
Romain
Fascinating storyline for a truly exceptional personality!!
A thread that did not really interest me that much proved invaluable as I've learned all this info on chief Joe Medicine Crow!
Thanks for bringing it up Mike!
Cheers
Romain
jrutman
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Posted: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 - 03:50 AM UTC
The horse on the left definitely has German Army standard tack and saddle. Maybe a supply wagon horse or arty limber horse? Thousands of them in Normandy. Sadly most met their end in Falaise.
J
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jowady
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Posted: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 - 08:09 AM UTC
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The horse on the left definitely has German Army standard tack and saddle. Maybe a supply wagon horse or arty limber horse? Thousands of them in Normandy. Sadly most met their end in Falaise.
J
And a reminder of how much of the German Army was still Horse Drawn. I read a book by an officer in the German Artillery who was serving in Italy when theItalians changed sides. He talked about how good it was that they were able to confiscate enough Italian trucks to ditch their horses.
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