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Half Tracks

RufusLeeking

Joined: January 18, 2002
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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 05:00 AM UTC
US Half Tracks of WWII, I know in real life there were all types, but there are not many kits in 1/35th, that I know of. Years ago I built Tamiya's M3 kit, the one that came with 8 or so figures, is this kit no longer in production? Also who else makes US Half track kits? I know there are tons of German kits out there, but it seems like the US choices are slim pickins.


Red4

Joined: April 01, 2002
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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 05:26 AM UTC
Ron,
The only US half track kits I know of are the M3, the M16 and the M21. Monogram did one of the M16 and the M3 and Tamiya has all three. I dont think that there was a big push for it in the modeling world and as a result only these limited kits were produced. I imagine there were more variants of the M3 built... ie M2, M5, but I have never seen any other kits of them. There is about an over abundance of German pieces for sure, so many that I cant count that high..and each one is very simular in appearance to the others making it difficult (for me anyways) to distinguish one from another..
Thats all I know on the subject.. "Q"
The only US half track kits I know of are the M3, the M16 and the M21. Monogram did one of the M16 and the M3 and Tamiya has all three. I dont think that there was a big push for it in the modeling world and as a result only these limited kits were produced. I imagine there were more variants of the M3 built... ie M2, M5, but I have never seen any other kits of them. There is about an over abundance of German pieces for sure, so many that I cant count that high..and each one is very simular in appearance to the others making it difficult (for me anyways) to distinguish one from another..


cfbush2000

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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 05:34 AM UTC
Ron
Squadron Shop lists the M16 skysweeper in thier 2002 catalog. I just looked on the website and only found the M21 mortor carrier which is a recient re-pop. Even one of the hobby shops here in the frozen north had one on thier shelf...it now resides on my shelf.
I see the M 16 on ebay from time to time.
HTH
Squadron Shop lists the M16 skysweeper in thier 2002 catalog. I just looked on the website and only found the M21 mortor carrier which is a recient re-pop. Even one of the hobby shops here in the frozen north had one on thier shelf...it now resides on my shelf.
I see the M 16 on ebay from time to time.
HTH

screamingeagle

Joined: January 08, 2002
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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 06:12 AM UTC
Hi Rufus, hopefully Sabot will add his knowledge of " where
to get " & "who stocks " these kits. But any way until then,
there has to be conversion PE & resin set's on the market
to make some of the M3 & M5 variants such as the 75mm, 57mm
and 105mm Howitzer, all mounted on the M3.
And the other GMC's like the M13 and sightly similar M14 and the
also the M16 - all generally for AA.
My favorite was the M15 with the 37mm Gun Carriage M3E1 mounted
below the two .50 cal.MG's - On the M15A1 it was opposite ( 37mm on top ).
Any way if your really serious these variants can all be made by a conversion
from the M21 - BUT a lot of scratchbuilding and rework would be necessary.
....Of course it would make a difference if the aftermarket set's are out there.
But it still would be time consuming.
I'm doing a rebuild myself of just the roller's on the Tamiya M21 ( their incorrectly made ).
Maybe when I have alot - and I mean alot of time, I'll attempt a one
of these conversion's
- ralph
to get " & "who stocks " these kits. But any way until then,
there has to be conversion PE & resin set's on the market
to make some of the M3 & M5 variants such as the 75mm, 57mm
and 105mm Howitzer, all mounted on the M3.
And the other GMC's like the M13 and sightly similar M14 and the
also the M16 - all generally for AA.
My favorite was the M15 with the 37mm Gun Carriage M3E1 mounted
below the two .50 cal.MG's - On the M15A1 it was opposite ( 37mm on top ).
Any way if your really serious these variants can all be made by a conversion
from the M21 - BUT a lot of scratchbuilding and rework would be necessary.
....Of course it would make a difference if the aftermarket set's are out there.
But it still would be time consuming.
I'm doing a rebuild myself of just the roller's on the Tamiya M21 ( their incorrectly made ).
Maybe when I have alot - and I mean alot of time, I'll attempt a one
of these conversion's

- ralph
Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 06:41 AM UTC
Quoted Text
US Half Tracks of WWII, I know in real life there were all types, but there are not many kits in 1/35th, that I know of. Years ago I built Tamiya's M3 kit, the one that came with 8 or so figures, is this kit no longer in production? Also who else makes US Half track kits? I know there are tons of German kits out there, but it seems like the US choices are slim pickins.![]()
Tamiya 35070 1:35 US Half Track M3A2 is due to be re-released.
KMC have a conversion set for building a M3 75 mm GMC from TAMIYA M21, see Halftrack with a punch.

screamingeagle

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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 08:52 AM UTC
Quoted Text
KMC have a conversion set for building a M3 75 mm GMC from TAMIYA M21
Hey TUGA - Great article ! A big "thumbs up " for finding that !
I'll have to print that up.
- ralph

tazz3

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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 10:57 AM UTC
i have not see any US half tracks in my hoby store. i guess they are hard to get 

Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 06:33 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I have not see any US half tracks in my hoby store. i guess they are hard to get
MISSION MODELS have the TAMIYA M3A2 (#35070) and M21 (#35083) at their list.

screamingeagle

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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 10:55 PM UTC
Quoted Text
i have not see any US half tracks in my hoby store. i guess they are hard to get
I agree Tazz, but you shouldn't have a problem finding them from
a internet model distributor such as Great Models or Squadron and others.
- ralph

ArmouredSprue

Joined: January 09, 2002
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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 11:04 PM UTC
Hi!
Let me ask you:
I got a Tamiya M16 halftrack, I'm planning to use its antiaircraft system to make a Guntruck, so the question is: What chassis it is based, the M3 or the M5? Because I'm also planning to use it for a brazilian dio in Italy during the WWII.....
Cheers
Let me ask you:
I got a Tamiya M16 halftrack, I'm planning to use its antiaircraft system to make a Guntruck, so the question is: What chassis it is based, the M3 or the M5? Because I'm also planning to use it for a brazilian dio in Italy during the WWII.....
Cheers


screamingeagle

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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2002 - 11:26 PM UTC
Hi Paulo ! How are you ? - I hope all is well.
The Maxson four .50 caliber turret
was tested on an M2 Halftrack chassis & later the M3,
designated GMC T58. The mount was standardised as M45
and the T58 with this mount was the M16. A total of 724 vehicles
of this type were built by White ( 1942-43 ).
.......Now the same installation on the M5 halftrack was designated M17
and was similar in it's external appearance. ( International Harvester built
1,000 of these. )
Reference Used - British & American Tanks of W.W.II
by Peter Chamberlain & Chris Ellis.
- ralph
The Maxson four .50 caliber turret
was tested on an M2 Halftrack chassis & later the M3,
designated GMC T58. The mount was standardised as M45
and the T58 with this mount was the M16. A total of 724 vehicles
of this type were built by White ( 1942-43 ).
.......Now the same installation on the M5 halftrack was designated M17
and was similar in it's external appearance. ( International Harvester built
1,000 of these. )
Reference Used - British & American Tanks of W.W.II
by Peter Chamberlain & Chris Ellis.
- ralph
Posted: Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 05:17 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Because I'm also planning to use it for a brazilian dio in Italy during the WWII.....
Cheers![]()
Paulo,
Não sei se conhece mas, aqui TANKS - Brasil tem informações e fotos de vário material utilizado pelo FEB em Itália na 2ª GG.
Some info and photos of Brazilian Expeditionary Force in Italy during WW II.
e aqui/and here
http://WWII Vehicles
alguma info sobre as HT em geral/about USA HT used at WWII
Espero que ajude o seu dio.
Hope it helps for your dio.
A M16 não dá para fazer a M3 directamente, não tem a porta traseira.
The M16 have no rear door and the M3 has.

RufusLeeking

Joined: January 18, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 11:20 PM UTC
I guess I am out of luck, I've checked online hobbie shops and couldn't find anything. I am looking for M3A2 personal carrier, I waiting for Tamiya to reissue theirs, it was a pretty nice kit.

slodder

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Posted: Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 11:36 PM UTC
If you can hold out a bit try ebay. I look routinely sift through the offerings there and quite often there is Tamiya M3A2 halftrack, the M3 with the quad 50 cal is auctioned a little less and then lastly the M3 with mortar is up sometimes.
I already built the M3A2 and never watch these auctions to end so I can't comment on price.
I already built the M3A2 and never watch these auctions to end so I can't comment on price.

RufusLeeking

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Posted: Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 11:46 PM UTC
Thanks Scott, I'll check it out. On Great Models the Tamiya M3A2 listed around $17. when it was still available.

mj

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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2002 - 04:47 AM UTC
I'm with you, Ron. I've been looking for that Tamiya M3A2 for a couple of months now. Tried bidding for a couple on E-Bay, but someone always wanted it a bit more.
I'm glad to hear from Jose that it is going to be re-issued. Hope it will be soon.
Mike
I'm glad to hear from Jose that it is going to be re-issued. Hope it will be soon.
Mike

shiryon

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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2002 - 05:12 AM UTC
DOn't dispare fellas it'lll be out in again soon. Usually comes out every 3 or so years. You might want to try some of AEF designs stuff He makes anumber of Israeli Conversions, but also makes a sraight M5 as well. Also try to get K59's M3 wheel set Easier than tank workshops. All we really need now is some good rubberband track


ArmouredSprue

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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2002 - 05:48 AM UTC
For all interested on the M3A2 from Tamiya, I got one and if has someone interested I can trade for a M3 or an Italeri Scout Car .... just let me know!
Thanks Ralph,
So the M16 is actually a M3...it matches the vehicle that brazilian used in Italy...
José,
Eu também conheço esse site, muito bom e outro interessante sobre o assunto é:
FEB 1944
I did know this site as well, and another good one is the link above...
Thanks Ralph,
So the M16 is actually a M3...it matches the vehicle that brazilian used in Italy...
José,
Eu também conheço esse site, muito bom e outro interessante sobre o assunto é:
FEB 1944
I did know this site as well, and another good one is the link above...

slodder

Joined: February 22, 2002
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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2002 - 07:56 PM UTC
Rufus
Check out ebay - Item #1740178398 It's the 1/2 track w/ 81mm mortar
Check out ebay - Item #1740178398 It's the 1/2 track w/ 81mm mortar

ArmouredSprue

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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2002 - 08:04 PM UTC
Quoted Text
For all interested on the M3A2 from Tamiya, I got one and if has someone interested I can trade for a M3 or an Italeri Scout Car .... just let me know!
Just in case if there someone interested....

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