well these are the first attempts:
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if they are too dark, can i do dot filtering of white to rectify (black in shadows?)...
these were painted wih vallejo (medium skin and sunny skin (think thats the correct names) starting with a mix of burnt umber and medium for the shadow) so perhaps i am just starting from the wrong place