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Did Allies use Camo WW2?
easyco69
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 07:46 AM UTC
Did Allies use Camo WW2?
Specifically sherman's. What about Italy? I know the British did in Africa but that's all I know lol. Could someone share a link with accurate data plz for Allied fighting Vehicle Camo guide.
Thx
ninjrk
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 08:19 AM UTC
In US service there was camouflage used of black paint over the OD. Squadron Signal has a book on US WW2 camouflage that is quite good for this. According to the excellent Warpaint book on British camouflage thier schemes had been retired by Normandy. This does always leave daubed mud and whitewash of course.
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 08:24 AM UTC
Try the numerous WoT forums. (forgive me for recommending another forum). They are fairly accurate and provide a wealth of information.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 08:56 AM UTC
The only camo US vehicles I know of from Europe were during Operation Cobra, Normandy Breakout, in late July '45. Braod stripes of black paint were sprayed on US vehicles to provide some camo against the Normandy hedgerows.

Actual vehicle.


Color plate showing it a little better.
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 09:55 AM UTC
http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/disruptive-camouflage-of-vehicles.html

http://modelhobby.eu/2012/08/british-commonwealth-armour-in-italy/

http://modelhobby.eu/2012/08/british-commonwealth-armour-in-italy/

Just do a Google search of "sherman camouflage".
Tojo72
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 10:20 AM UTC
The Russians used some camo patterns
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 11:40 AM UTC
A fair amount of camouflage variation for Shermans in the Pacific as well.
Anto992
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 05:30 PM UTC
Hi David,

the British armour in Italy used a lot of camouflage patterns, some had come over from North Africa.

If you send me your email I will send some stuff to you in the coming week.

Anto
russamotto
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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 01:06 AM UTC
In Italy there was broader use of camo. Particularly the tanks of the 752nd tank batallion used sand and earth red over the od paint, sometimes with some white. There was a web site dedicated to the unit but it is currently down. These photos were found elsewhere.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/juanmercadal/752ndTankBattalionItaly1944.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e368/FJArevalo/Sherman%20M4A1/cecina-Holt.jpg
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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 08:06 AM UTC
During the winter of 1944-45 12th Army Group issued instructions that vehicles that were being whitewashed should leave some patches of OD. Black and OD could be seen in NWE through VE Day. As has been pointed out various shades if brown and OD were not unknown on American tanks in Italy.

British Fireflies often had parts of the long barrels for their 17 pounders painted white to reduce the recognition of their guns. In Italy Commonwealth vehicles had also sometimes worn camouflage however in late 1944 at least some units were instructed to repaint their vehicles in a British color that approximated US OD. I think much of this had to do with Allied Air Superiority. 5th and 8th Armies were going for a uniform appearance of their vehicles that would hopefully be apparent from the sky .
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 10:00 AM UTC
You can take a look here for some Sherman camo schemes (including a few seen in Italy). I can't vouch for their accuracy though... :

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman.php

H.P.
marcb
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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 10:02 AM UTC
Here's a small view of the official British/ Commonwealth pattern for Shermans as used in the Mediteranean:

Colors should be blue back over light mud.

Sheik, a british Sherman:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scots_Greys_Sherman_SHEIK.JPG

The Americans used sand over OD in Sicily:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/thread/1272010181/1272140817/Early+M4A1+Sherman+from+Sicily+-+photo+needed

They used black over OD on mainland Italy.

Hope that helps.
marcb
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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 07:59 PM UTC
Are you building a specific kit?
marcb
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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 11:21 PM UTC
Correction,

The Sherman camo drawing I posted is for a british vehicle in North Africa:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/thread/1324931647/Crusader+III+camo-

The british pattern for the mediteranean is similar.
The booklet "Sicily and Italy 1943-45" has official patterns for different vehicles:
http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/allied/sicily_italy_1943-45.html

Color guide:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/thread/1252022924/The+complete+Mike+Starmer+Acrylic+Paint+Mix+Database
MadModeler
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Posted: Friday, February 07, 2014 - 09:01 AM UTC
Here is a link for more of Canadian paint / marking guide.

http://www.armouredacorn.com

Cheers,
Tom
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