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SU-100Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 04:59 AM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 06:27 AM UTC
Very cool made model, I really like the vehicles of the family T-34. I do not like rust on the hood of the exhaust pipe, besides great.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 06:43 AM UTC
Not bad Bill, coming from a German armor builder! LOL
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 06:59 AM UTC
Thank you both, and thanks to Darren for getting this one live. I see no reason, Pawel, why there would not be rust on the exhaust pipe hood, as it will get very hot and peel paint over time. Anyone have photos to prove me wrong?
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 07:07 AM UTC
Very nice Bill. I have always like this SPG and ALL it's variants. Can we have a scale please?
Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 07:28 AM UTC
Looks excellent, Bill. I really like the green color on the vehicle, very realistic in my Humble oppinion.
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Jacob
Regards
Jacob
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 07:56 AM UTC
Hi, Jeff, it's 1/35th, the only armor scale I build. But I have noted it in the headline now.
Jacob, thanks, much obliged. I did Tamiya flat black pre-shading, then two shades of Model Master Russian, followed by AK wash for green vehicles, some oil wash and then MIG Allied green pigment on the areas most likely to get bleached by the sun.
Jacob, thanks, much obliged. I did Tamiya flat black pre-shading, then two shades of Model Master Russian, followed by AK wash for green vehicles, some oil wash and then MIG Allied green pigment on the areas most likely to get bleached by the sun.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 08:13 AM UTC
Jeff Tucker (imatanker) doesn't read the articles, he just looks at the pictures.
Jeff
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 10:07 AM UTC
Hello Bill,
The idea is that the exhaust hood is made of thick steel armor and would rather not corrode so much. It is of course possible that there will be rust on it, attach some link with photos used T-34. In my town, Gliwice, stands a statue of the T-34 used in combat during WWII and the guards did not look corroded, a piece of steel heats up so rapidly, and in fact the two parts abutting at the end.
http://survincity.com/2012/05/t-34-fire-and-maneuver/
http://www.ghqmodels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=888&sid=535dde4bb8a0b7521689eef5387dcbb7
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/thread/1176403167/T-34+exhaust+question
greetings
Paweł
The idea is that the exhaust hood is made of thick steel armor and would rather not corrode so much. It is of course possible that there will be rust on it, attach some link with photos used T-34. In my town, Gliwice, stands a statue of the T-34 used in combat during WWII and the guards did not look corroded, a piece of steel heats up so rapidly, and in fact the two parts abutting at the end.
http://survincity.com/2012/05/t-34-fire-and-maneuver/
http://www.ghqmodels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=888&sid=535dde4bb8a0b7521689eef5387dcbb7
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/thread/1176403167/T-34+exhaust+question
greetings
Paweł
Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 01:05 PM UTC
Inasmuch as I really like what Bill has done here, I think I tend to side with Pawel. I think the amount of rust on the exhaust, saw, and spare links looks incredibly realistic for something that has been sitting untouched for a decade or two, but is a little out of balance with the rest of the vehicle.
But in fairness and honesty, it's clear Bill is light-years beyond my ability to achieve specific weathering effects. Nicely done, Bill.
But in fairness and honesty, it's clear Bill is light-years beyond my ability to achieve specific weathering effects. Nicely done, Bill.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 03:30 PM UTC
Nice work Bill. I like your rusty spare track. Looks cool! cheers Ken
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 07:51 PM UTC
Bill, Thank you sir. Again, a great build.
Jeff S. I do too read the posts..............sometimes
Jeff S. I do too read the posts..............sometimes
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 11:52 PM UTC
VERY NICE, BILL!!! Your GREAT WORK reminds me that I still have a DRAGON SU-85 (the newer release kit) and a TAMIYA SU-122 that I'm going to convert/kit-bash together to make one GOOD '122...
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2014 - 12:35 AM UTC
Nice job! I love that kit!
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2014 - 12:36 AM UTC
That kit comes with an SU-85 metal barrel as well, right? I know you can build either the SU-100 OR SU-85M from that kit.
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2014 - 06:42 AM UTC
Wow, some great points being made, glad to have this lively discussion.
Pawel, I have looked at your photos, and though they are all restored tanks, I will put some more thought to this. I will try to find some period photos, which even if in B&W will show if there's any corrosion on the guards.
Regarding the saw, if you leave tools out in the elements, they will rust. The photos make the saw look rusted, when actually it's a coating of new rust over a silver metallic base.
I don't know about the SU-85 kit having both barrels. This is a very nice kit, the only thing I did not like is the Magic Tracks and bogeys. I ended up having to snip off the ends of the suspension arms to align the track with the sprockets. That may be because I added the road wheels after the build was done. Can't say if they would fit better if built according to the instructions.
Pawel, I have looked at your photos, and though they are all restored tanks, I will put some more thought to this. I will try to find some period photos, which even if in B&W will show if there's any corrosion on the guards.
Regarding the saw, if you leave tools out in the elements, they will rust. The photos make the saw look rusted, when actually it's a coating of new rust over a silver metallic base.
I don't know about the SU-85 kit having both barrels. This is a very nice kit, the only thing I did not like is the Magic Tracks and bogeys. I ended up having to snip off the ends of the suspension arms to align the track with the sprockets. That may be because I added the road wheels after the build was done. Can't say if they would fit better if built according to the instructions.
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2014 - 06:45 AM UTC
And while not as extensive as my rusting, you can see the damage heat does to paint here (the covers are already rusting out):
Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2014 - 08:29 AM UTC
Bill,
I don't disagree with the existence of the rust; i only thought it appeared to be in a very advanced state compared to the rest of the vehicle. I still think it's fantastic the discussion: if I posted pics of my work people would be arguing over whether it looked like rust at all or just too much rouge!
I don't disagree with the existence of the rust; i only thought it appeared to be in a very advanced state compared to the rest of the vehicle. I still think it's fantastic the discussion: if I posted pics of my work people would be arguing over whether it looked like rust at all or just too much rouge!
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2014 - 08:49 AM UTC
Was there only one manufacturing plant used for the SU-85 and SU-100? Or, was it most like the T34 where there were many plants involved in producing that chassis?
I think it would depend on who 'made' it as to the actual thickness of the exhaust shield.
I have seen some with paint peeling/rust and some that were not affected by the heat. And they were not Gate Guards either.
Oh well... just a thought. Probably one of those artists rendering, huh.
Jeff
I think it would depend on who 'made' it as to the actual thickness of the exhaust shield.
I have seen some with paint peeling/rust and some that were not affected by the heat. And they were not Gate Guards either.
Oh well... just a thought. Probably one of those artists rendering, huh.
Jeff
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2014 - 10:06 AM UTC
Mark, you are too kind.
I may tone down the rust a bit now that I've looked at photos (though I bet Frenchy has access to some great ones). The challenge with weathering are wear is that tanks didn't last in combat all that long before they broke down or were otherwise destroyed/disabled. The push on Berlin, however, meant a lot of hard fighting, since it's likely the Soviet armor had to drive most of the way there from railheads in Poland or even further East.
I may tone down the rust a bit now that I've looked at photos (though I bet Frenchy has access to some great ones). The challenge with weathering are wear is that tanks didn't last in combat all that long before they broke down or were otherwise destroyed/disabled. The push on Berlin, however, meant a lot of hard fighting, since it's likely the Soviet armor had to drive most of the way there from railheads in Poland or even further East.
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Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 - 05:19 PM UTC
Great build,I mean excellant! The photo you posted..can you provide a link? I give up on weathering my Sturer Emil is nearly complete....with absolutely no weathering.I feel no matter how I weather armor it will never be satisfactory
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - 03:20 AM UTC
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Great build,I mean excellant!
Thanks!
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The photo you posted..can you provide a link?
I just searched the Internet for T-34s (SU-100s seem to turn up more modern photos.
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I give up on weathering my Sturer Emil is nearly complete....with absolutely no weathering.I feel no matter how I weather armor it will never be satisfactory
Keep trying, it's all trial and error. And the good news about pigments is: you can "wash" them off with mineral spirits.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 - 12:24 PM UTC
Great job ! It is a very good piece
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 - 02:37 AM UTC
Thanks, Giovanni!
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Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2014 - 02:17 AM UTC
Great work on the SU Bill! Despite your fight with the tracks, they turned out looking just right. I like the rusted fenders too.