Has anyone seen it in a museum or somewhere? I don't know if the interior colour should be hull red or dark yellow or white.
Thanks!
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Posted: Friday, May 02, 2014 - 03:14 PM UTC
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Posted: Friday, May 02, 2014 - 03:26 PM UTC
I did some research on just this topic a few years ago and asked the same questions on another forum. THe consensus was:
The hull interior sides and gun mount - Dark Yellow. The floor was Red Primer.
The hull interior sides and gun mount - Dark Yellow. The floor was Red Primer.
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Posted: Friday, May 02, 2014 - 03:40 PM UTC
Thank you for such a quick answer!
I will do it this way!
I will do it this way!
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Posted: Friday, May 02, 2014 - 05:29 PM UTC
Not that I wholly disagree with you, but the dunkelgelb sides with red oxide floor answer does raise some questions!
We currently accept as a "fact" that most or maybe "all" German WWII armored vehicles were initially primed with red oxide after major assembly was completed - that is, the "heavy metal" hull and interior frames and such were primed with the prevailing primer, red oxide. And I'll go with this notion.
Presumably, this really meant that the assembled hull-plates and frames were so primed... after which, 3 different "post-primer" steps occurred to finish the vehicle: the drive-train and other major components were installed - and these may well have arrived at the vehicle assembly plant wearing their own distinct OEM finishes and colors (but not likely naked red primer...), the interior and exterior were base-coat painted over the red oxide, and all of the lesser and smaller fittings were added (these, too, probably coming in their OEM finish colors). I would bet that the base-coat painting of the primed hull preceded both major component installation and detail fittings and finish completion.
Thus the question (actually a couple of related questions)... : IF the interior sides were base-coated over the R-O primer, AND the floor left in naked R-O, what was the "join-line" like? Was that floor actually masked to prevent base-coat over-spray as an intended "distinct and separate" floor - in other words, making R-O the final finish of the floor? And IF so, why? IF they were simply saving paint, I would expect that there would have been no reason to spend time and effort carefully masking the floor - they would simply spray the walls and let overspray happen...
So... Should one paint that interior with a clearly delineated join between yellow walls and red floor as if it were actually "finished" with that intent, or should we actually be trying to "allow" or include overspray onto the floor as if that part was simply NOT finish-painted "to save on using yellow paint"? I would vote for the latter, I think!
Of course, models may look cooler if those yellow walls are carefully delineated from those red floors, but somehow I think we may be more fantasizing and creating the appearance of such neatness than achieving historical accuracy in the build.
Just a thought!
Bob
We currently accept as a "fact" that most or maybe "all" German WWII armored vehicles were initially primed with red oxide after major assembly was completed - that is, the "heavy metal" hull and interior frames and such were primed with the prevailing primer, red oxide. And I'll go with this notion.
Presumably, this really meant that the assembled hull-plates and frames were so primed... after which, 3 different "post-primer" steps occurred to finish the vehicle: the drive-train and other major components were installed - and these may well have arrived at the vehicle assembly plant wearing their own distinct OEM finishes and colors (but not likely naked red primer...), the interior and exterior were base-coat painted over the red oxide, and all of the lesser and smaller fittings were added (these, too, probably coming in their OEM finish colors). I would bet that the base-coat painting of the primed hull preceded both major component installation and detail fittings and finish completion.
Thus the question (actually a couple of related questions)... : IF the interior sides were base-coated over the R-O primer, AND the floor left in naked R-O, what was the "join-line" like? Was that floor actually masked to prevent base-coat over-spray as an intended "distinct and separate" floor - in other words, making R-O the final finish of the floor? And IF so, why? IF they were simply saving paint, I would expect that there would have been no reason to spend time and effort carefully masking the floor - they would simply spray the walls and let overspray happen...
So... Should one paint that interior with a clearly delineated join between yellow walls and red floor as if it were actually "finished" with that intent, or should we actually be trying to "allow" or include overspray onto the floor as if that part was simply NOT finish-painted "to save on using yellow paint"? I would vote for the latter, I think!
Of course, models may look cooler if those yellow walls are carefully delineated from those red floors, but somehow I think we may be more fantasizing and creating the appearance of such neatness than achieving historical accuracy in the build.
Just a thought!
Bob
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Posted: Saturday, May 03, 2014 - 01:50 AM UTC
I think you're on to something Bob.. I think I'll be doing mine completely dark yellow but with a lot of primer showing through on the floor as if the yellow had just been misted over it.. Being such an open topped vehicle ...I'd hope they would cover the red at least a bit with all those Typhoons overhead ..lol
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Posted: Saturday, May 03, 2014 - 02:17 AM UTC
I've been inside a few Panzers, and it's always a nice clean dividing line.
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Posted: Saturday, May 03, 2014 - 03:04 AM UTC
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I've been inside a few Panzers, and it's always a nice clean dividing line.
David
But are these repainted museum pieces?
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Posted: Saturday, May 03, 2014 - 03:08 AM UTC
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... but somehow I think we may be more fantasizing and creating the appearance of such neatness than achieving historical accuracy in the build.
Just a thought!
Bob [/quote]
This happens frequently with nice neat masked camo jobs!
... but somehow I think we may be more fantasizing and creating the appearance of such neatness than achieving historical accuracy in the build.
Just a thought!
Bob [/quote]
This happens frequently with nice neat masked camo jobs!
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Posted: Saturday, May 03, 2014 - 04:27 AM UTC
All were at Bovington museum; the Tiger, the African Pz.3, the Pz.4 and a Stug. At the time, all of them were in their original wartime internal paint.
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Posted: Saturday, May 03, 2014 - 04:28 AM UTC
Raphael here are some pics I took at the Panzermuseum in Munster, Germany.
I hope they you along
Paul
I hope they you along
Paul
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Posted: Saturday, May 03, 2014 - 04:57 PM UTC
It's precisely what I was looking for
Thank you Paul
Thank you Paul