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Challenger I Mk.3 Recommended Reading
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 02:47 PM UTC
I've begun research into a new challenge. I am looking for recommended reading on the British Challenger I Mk.3. This build won't start, until next year. I think that should be adequate time to accrue the needed parts and other media.
Dannyd
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Posted: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 04:54 PM UTC
Hi Matt,
The Ospray book is a good starting point if you want to understand what needs to be corrected with the Tamiya kit to bring it up to production standards.
Regards
Dan
The Ospray book is a good starting point if you want to understand what needs to be corrected with the Tamiya kit to bring it up to production standards.
Regards
Dan
1721Lancers
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Posted: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 06:59 PM UTC
Hi Matt,
get also the Tankograd - British Special No.9020
Challenger 1 MBT
Cheers
Paul
get also the Tankograd - British Special No.9020
Challenger 1 MBT
Cheers
Paul
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 08:02 PM UTC
I read that AA did an upgrade set for the chally, but am unable to locate anything beyond fuel drums and add on armor. I'm thinking the author meant the chally 1 or 2 and not the mk.3.
blabla
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Posted: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 11:19 PM UTC
Hello,
firstly I would recommend this book, too: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/8362878959/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/277-6195516-3150327?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_r=03Y45HKY5354E1ESMKN2&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=479289247&pf_rd_i=8362878525
Furthermore I have to say there is no good Challenger 1 (or even a 2) kit! The Tamiya kit has two main problems: 1) a Prototype was used as an example for the model with the consequence of many inaccuracies. 2) The lower hull has a completely wrong shape because it is itself too low (measured from the bottom to top edge) and because the sheets of the bottom have a wrong angle. (I have the impression that the elementary outside measurements were taken from the Chieftain) The only Challenger tank with a correct lower hull shape is Trumpter`s kit. (Please notice “Mittelmaß means the distance from the bottom of the lower hull to the top edge of the lower hull and Winkel means angle:
Accurate Armour:
Mittenmaß: ca. 22mm
Winkel: ca. 4 Grad
Trumpeter:
Mittenmaß: ca. 22mm
Winkel: ca. 5 Grad
Tamiya:
Mittenmaß: ca. 21mm
Winkel. ca. 7-8Grad
The shape problem becomes obviously when the additional front armour is mounted which is nearly higher than the front of hull!
Chheers
firstly I would recommend this book, too: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/8362878959/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/277-6195516-3150327?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_r=03Y45HKY5354E1ESMKN2&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=479289247&pf_rd_i=8362878525
Furthermore I have to say there is no good Challenger 1 (or even a 2) kit! The Tamiya kit has two main problems: 1) a Prototype was used as an example for the model with the consequence of many inaccuracies. 2) The lower hull has a completely wrong shape because it is itself too low (measured from the bottom to top edge) and because the sheets of the bottom have a wrong angle. (I have the impression that the elementary outside measurements were taken from the Chieftain) The only Challenger tank with a correct lower hull shape is Trumpter`s kit. (Please notice “Mittelmaß means the distance from the bottom of the lower hull to the top edge of the lower hull and Winkel means angle:
Accurate Armour:
Mittenmaß: ca. 22mm
Winkel: ca. 4 Grad
Trumpeter:
Mittenmaß: ca. 22mm
Winkel: ca. 5 Grad
Tamiya:
Mittenmaß: ca. 21mm
Winkel. ca. 7-8Grad
The shape problem becomes obviously when the additional front armour is mounted which is nearly higher than the front of hull!
Chheers
retiredyank
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Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 - 12:44 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hello,
firstly I would recommend this book, too: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/8362878959/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/277-6195516-3150327?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_r=03Y45HKY5354E1ESMKN2&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=479289247&pf_rd_i=8362878525
Furthermore I have to say there is no good Challenger 1 (or even a 2) kit! The Tamiya kit has two main problems: 1) a Prototype was used as an example for the model with the consequence of many inaccuracies. 2) The lower hull has a completely wrong shape because it is itself too low (measured from the bottom to top edge) and because the sheets of the bottom have a wrong angle. (I have the impression that the elementary outside measurements were taken from the Chieftain) The only Challenger tank with a correct lower hull shape is Trumpter`s kit. (Please notice “Mittelmaß means the distance from the bottom of the lower hull to the top edge of the lower hull and Winkel means angle:
Accurate Armour:
Mittenmaß: ca. 22mm
Winkel: ca. 4 Grad
Trumpeter:
Mittenmaß: ca. 22mm
Winkel: ca. 5 Grad
Tamiya:
Mittenmaß: ca. 21mm
Winkel. ca. 7-8Grad
The shape problem becomes obviously when the additional front armour is mounted which is nearly higher than the front of hull!
Chheers
I have looked at the necessary modifications and not of them seem that difficult.
blabla
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Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 - 01:33 AM UTC
Hello,
I am amazed about the positive reviews. In the past Dan Hay build "the mother of Challenger 1" models. Here are some "in progress photos". I used them as reference, too.
Of course, it depends how many details you want to go give to your Chally 1. In general oob it represents a Chally 1! But if you want to do a smaller or bigger corrections, Dan Hay`s homepage is a very good reference.
http://www.onepointed.com/dan/model/Projects/Challenger1mk3/InProgress/ which can be very helpful.
And how I mentioned there are some issues with the Challenger lower hull resulting (from my view) in a "sportive look" and not in the "massive armour-look" of this tank series. (The big difference between British tanks to German and US tanks-design).
Castoff.co.uk offers a small correction set for the Challenger 1!
Hope it helps.
Cheers
I am amazed about the positive reviews. In the past Dan Hay build "the mother of Challenger 1" models. Here are some "in progress photos". I used them as reference, too.
Of course, it depends how many details you want to go give to your Chally 1. In general oob it represents a Chally 1! But if you want to do a smaller or bigger corrections, Dan Hay`s homepage is a very good reference.
http://www.onepointed.com/dan/model/Projects/Challenger1mk3/InProgress/ which can be very helpful.
And how I mentioned there are some issues with the Challenger lower hull resulting (from my view) in a "sportive look" and not in the "massive armour-look" of this tank series. (The big difference between British tanks to German and US tanks-design).
Castoff.co.uk offers a small correction set for the Challenger 1!
Hope it helps.
Cheers
retiredyank
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Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 - 02:56 AM UTC
I have both of those sites bookmarked. The lower hull should not be too much of a problem, as it is barely visible. The reason for the references is to go a step beyond others' builds.
retiredyank
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Posted: Friday, June 27, 2014 - 06:17 AM UTC
Can I kit bash the Trumpeter and Tamiya offerings to come up with a correct lower hull? I'm not sure how close they line up, dimension wise.
blabla
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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2014 - 07:58 AM UTC
Hello,
I am sorry for my late answer!
Years ago, I had the same idea, to bring Trumpeter`s lower hull and Tamiya’s upper hull together. But there were some fitting issues. Unfortunately I could not identify where the problems were with the consequence that I added plastic sheet under the bottom of the lower hull.
Cheers
I am sorry for my late answer!
Years ago, I had the same idea, to bring Trumpeter`s lower hull and Tamiya’s upper hull together. But there were some fitting issues. Unfortunately I could not identify where the problems were with the consequence that I added plastic sheet under the bottom of the lower hull.
Cheers
retiredyank
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2014 - 08:15 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hello,
I am sorry for my late answer!
Years ago, I had the same idea, to bring Trumpeter`s lower hull and Tamiya’s upper hull together. But there were some fitting issues. Unfortunately I could not identify where the problems were with the consequence that I added plastic sheet under the bottom of the lower hull.
Cheers
Better late than never. Trumpeter's kit is cheap enough to give it a go.
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