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Panzerhaubitze 2000 pictures needed plz
Alpha6
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2014 - 02:07 PM UTC
Hey Everyone, I was thinking about building a Panzerhaubitze 2000 from Meng and I was thinking about making it a vehicle used by either the Dutch or Germans in Afghanistan. I was wondering if I may trouble someone to provide me with some reference pictures of the vehicle in Afghanistan. Both German and Dutch examples are greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone.
66fastback
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2014 - 02:21 PM UTC
here you go
not a lot of dessert version pics though
http://www.primeportal.net/artillery/pzh2000_home.htm
http://aviationweek.com/blog/pzh-2000-supports-afghan-police
Tried looking up my fellow dutch country men. I might be wrong but it looks like the Dutch 2000's there are still in NATO 3 tone.
have fun
Eric
not a lot of dessert version pics though
http://www.primeportal.net/artillery/pzh2000_home.htm
http://aviationweek.com/blog/pzh-2000-supports-afghan-police
Tried looking up my fellow dutch country men. I might be wrong but it looks like the Dutch 2000's there are still in NATO 3 tone.
have fun
Eric
HermannB
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2014 - 05:45 PM UTC
Hi Sam,
try Google:
Panzerhaubitze 2000 Afganistan Bundeswehr
H.-H.
try Google:
Panzerhaubitze 2000 Afganistan Bundeswehr
H.-H.
Jedge3
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2014 - 05:47 PM UTC
I think issue 5 of Abrams Squad had some pictures of the 2000 in desert camo (German). The thing I noticed was that it was only two tone not the normal 3 tone. It was the sand beige and the olive.
If you search for issue 5 some of the teaser photos they give have the 2000 in it. Here is where I found it.
http://www.plaeditions.com/prestashop/index.php?id_product=86&controller=product&id_lang=1
If you search for issue 5 some of the teaser photos they give have the 2000 in it. Here is where I found it.
http://www.plaeditions.com/prestashop/index.php?id_product=86&controller=product&id_lang=1
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2014 - 11:36 PM UTC
Samuel
If you're planning to build a Dutch PzH 2000 in Afghanistan, all the pics I've seen so far show them fitted with add-on armor on the turret top and the front hull, like the one below :
Close-up :
You can find some nice Afghanistan hi-res pics on Flickr :
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3293/2744104449_f2199345e7_o.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2242/2744927752_ce3a0a3bed_o.jpg
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3015/2744096549_b1cca86213_o.jpg
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3231/2744106083_6fdd0d2ac4_o.jpg
H.P.
If you're planning to build a Dutch PzH 2000 in Afghanistan, all the pics I've seen so far show them fitted with add-on armor on the turret top and the front hull, like the one below :
Close-up :
You can find some nice Afghanistan hi-res pics on Flickr :
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3293/2744104449_f2199345e7_o.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2242/2744927752_ce3a0a3bed_o.jpg
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3015/2744096549_b1cca86213_o.jpg
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3231/2744106083_6fdd0d2ac4_o.jpg
H.P.
Alpha6
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Posted: Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 02:49 PM UTC
Thank you very much everyone for your help. This is really a lot of information.
@Jedge3, 66fastback and Frenchy: Based on what I have gathered, it looks like my best bet is to go with the German version since Meng didn't appear to have included the add on armor that the Dutch version seems to have. However, I may be wrong in this assumption.
Lastly, if I may pose one more question, suppose I am going with the German version of the 2000, do I need to include the ISAF logo on the vehicle like the Dutch? Thanks again everyone.
@Jedge3, 66fastback and Frenchy: Based on what I have gathered, it looks like my best bet is to go with the German version since Meng didn't appear to have included the add on armor that the Dutch version seems to have. However, I may be wrong in this assumption.
Lastly, if I may pose one more question, suppose I am going with the German version of the 2000, do I need to include the ISAF logo on the vehicle like the Dutch? Thanks again everyone.
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 06:15 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Lastly, if I may pose one more question, suppose I am going with the German version of the 2000, do I need to include the ISAF logo on the vehicle like the Dutch? Thanks again everyone.
Here are some pics of German SPH's in Afghanistan :
I guess the two tone camo was applied after their arrival in Afghanistan :
These are fitted with the add-on armor (I guess it would be something quite tricky to replicate in 1/35th scale
) :
No visible ISAF markings...
H.P.
HermannB
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Posted: Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 06:32 PM UTC
I think I spotted at least one gun w/o bombet armor based down there. 
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 10:17 PM UTC
Looks like the first three pics show them without add-on armor ("Igelpanzerung"). I guess it was a later upgrade...The picture of the new paint job was taken on January 27, 2011.
Here's another one :
Here are more views :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/darklight_ger/4904264197/sizes/l/in/photostream/
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5269/5668899467_9b69c320ac_o.jpg
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/148/isaf54.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1613/isaf55.jpg
If you don't want to scratchbuild the add-on armor, maybe you could cover your SPG with camo net
:
H.P.
Here's another one :
Here are more views :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/darklight_ger/4904264197/sizes/l/in/photostream/
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5269/5668899467_9b69c320ac_o.jpg
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/148/isaf54.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1613/isaf55.jpg
If you don't want to scratchbuild the add-on armor, maybe you could cover your SPG with camo net
:H.P.
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 05:51 AM UTC
Even more pics of the PzH 2000 SPH (and not SPG ) :
Paint job . It seems that some markings like the German flag and the ISAF/NATO emblem (?) beside it that can be seen in this link have been sprayed over later...
H.P.
) :Paint job . It seems that some markings like the German flag and the ISAF/NATO emblem (?) beside it that can be seen in this link have been sprayed over later...
H.P.
HermannB
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 08:10 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Looks like the first three pics show them without add-on armor ("Igelpanzerung"). I guess it was a later upgrade...The picture of the new paint job was taken on January 27, 2011.
Here's another one :
Here are more views :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/darklight_ger/4904264197/sizes/l/in/photostream/
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5269/5668899467_9b69c320ac_o.jpg
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/148/isaf54.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1613/isaf55.jpg
If you don't want to scratchbuild the add-on armor, maybe you could cover your SPG with camo net
H.P.
Unfortunatly, it`s no camo net but Barracuda MCS. Equally hard to build from as the Igelpanzerung
arpikaszabo
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 08:34 AM UTC
Igelpanzerung- at least it has a cute name. Does anyone have an idea how to replicate this? The only thing that comes to my mind would be 3D printing- which I find not feasable.
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 08:58 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Unfortunatly, it`s no camo net but Barracuda MCS. Equally hard to build from as the Igelpanzerung
In fact I had originally typed "Barracuda" instead of "camo" but I wasn't 100 % sure about it
I agree it would be on par feasibility-wise.... H.P.
Alpha6
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 11:33 AM UTC
Thank you so much for your help Frenchy. That is indeed a lot of pictures. I guess the fundamental question is, were the first 3 pictures of the German PzH 2000 taken in January 2011? The way I see it is that if they were indeed taken around that time, then it would be safe to assume that the add on armor is optional, or at least not as common. This would make construction a lot simpler. Thanks again Frenchy.
DerGeist
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 12:32 PM UTC
I have a few pics of the PzH2000 in Afgahnistan that were taken in 2012. While I've been asked not to share them by the person who took them, I can say that none of them had the add on armor, and were painted in two tone sand and green. None have ISAF markings. There is a great thread on Military Photos for the German ISAF forces, if I could find the link I would share it.
Erik
Erik
Alpha6
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 02:05 PM UTC
Thanks Erik, this is exactly what I was looking for. I think you just made my day with that Thanks again.
Thanks again.
knewton
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 02:18 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I have a few pics of the PzH2000 in Afgahnistan that were taken in 2012. While I've been asked not to share them by the person who took them, I can say that none of them had the add on armor, and were painted in two tone sand and green. None have ISAF markings. There is a great thread on Military Photos for the German ISAF forces, if I could find the link I would share it.
this thread? http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?32014-Afghanistan-Germany-s-contingent-(56k-be-gone)-!!!
very good source for all vehicles as deployed by Germany in Afghanistan.
really must build my Revell Pzh2000 some day...
Kylie
Erik
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014 - 01:38 AM UTC
In this vidcap, from a Bundeswehr video posted on Youtube in February 2012, you can see one PzH 2000 with add-on armor in the background and one without in the foreground :
I like this one
H.P.
I like this one
H.P.
HermannB
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014 - 04:15 AM UTC
Tankograd Militärfahrzeug Spezial No 5031 contains a couple of pics of a single PzH 2000A1. The vehicle has the license plate Y-414028 and is painted in Sandbeige RAL 1039 F9 and Helloiliv
RAL 6040 F9. Further marking are:
1. German Eisenes Kreuz ion the turret sides
2. German national flag on the hull below the Eisernes Kreuz
3. NATO/ISAF marking on hull sides
4. Letter "G" in white on turret rear.
Interestingly the vehicle has no Igelpanzerung attached.
HTH
Hans-Hermann
RAL 6040 F9. Further marking are:
1. German Eisenes Kreuz ion the turret sides
2. German national flag on the hull below the Eisernes Kreuz
3. NATO/ISAF marking on hull sides
4. Letter "G" in white on turret rear.
Interestingly the vehicle has no Igelpanzerung attached.
HTH
Hans-Hermann
easyco69
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014 - 04:16 AM UTC
why would this guy be firing like this???
HermannB
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014 - 04:43 AM UTC
It`s a standard safety procedure when the gun was maintained. All large caliber guns are fired with a long lanyard after amintenance
Alpha6
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014 - 07:27 AM UTC
Thanks for your help everyone; y'all made my Monday =D. I think it's safe to conclude that the add on armor is simply an optional addition to the vehicle.
@HermannB, I think Tankograd Militärfahrzeug Spezial No 5031 might have gotten its picture from the Bundeswehr video too. The picture in H.P's post looks pretty close to the one that you were describing. It could just be a coincidence, but the similarities are rather striking.
@HermannB, I think Tankograd Militärfahrzeug Spezial No 5031 might have gotten its picture from the Bundeswehr video too. The picture in H.P's post looks pretty close to the one that you were describing. It could just be a coincidence, but the similarities are rather striking.
Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 01:35 AM UTC
Here are two Plan B options that should iron out the add-on armor/markings issues
H.P.
H.P.
easyco69
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Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 02:07 AM UTC
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It`s a standard safety procedure when the gun was maintained. All large caliber guns are fired with a long lanyard after amintenance
Aww..thx, never knew that.
terminators
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Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 05:02 AM UTC
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Here are two Plan B options that should iron out the add-on armor/markings issues
H.P.
With this option, we can use any tank, nobody will see the difference !
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