I have a kit bashed Tamiya Pz III L I would like to back-date to a early J
Where can I find drawings of the Pz III J & L to compare
I’m mainly looking for the differences between the turrets and upper/lower hulls of both tanks to see what I have to add or take from the Tamiya kit
Billy
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Back-dating a Pz III L to a early J

T-55A5

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Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 08:02 AM UTC

Vista85

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Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 08:54 AM UTC
Good drawings are available on Tornado series and Squadron Signal books.
You can find some of these drawings on the net with Google (Pz III drawings).
http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/t/92523.aspx
Backdating Tamiya Ausf L kit in a early Ausf J could be not very easy.
You must remove additional armor from the mantlet and front hull, add early style vision ports on turret front sides and 50mm L/42 gun, change completely layout of engine deck, remove exhaust shield and other small details.
I suggest you to use one of Dragon's kit dedicated at ausf J version, it should be more convenient (PE, Magic Tracks links included) and they offer possibility to make a early o late version.
Regards
You can find some of these drawings on the net with Google (Pz III drawings).
http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/t/92523.aspx
Backdating Tamiya Ausf L kit in a early Ausf J could be not very easy.
You must remove additional armor from the mantlet and front hull, add early style vision ports on turret front sides and 50mm L/42 gun, change completely layout of engine deck, remove exhaust shield and other small details.
I suggest you to use one of Dragon's kit dedicated at ausf J version, it should be more convenient (PE, Magic Tracks links included) and they offer possibility to make a early o late version.
Regards

panzerbob01

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Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 04:19 PM UTC
I'd have to concur with Dario - you would be biting off a substantial amount of work and time and still may not be able to get where you want to be to your satisfaction.
There is a specific (and very positively-reviewed) Dragon Pz. III Ausf J Initial Production kit #6463, and a slightly different Dragon III Ausf J early production (Tp) kit #6543) kit available - both are excellent and should get you to where you wish, and probably either could arrive at your door from evilbay vendors for maybe $40 or so in the USA. Either could provide you a great base to build a host of specific early J tanks.
By me, time and effort are valuable - I'll skip endless hours of difficult reworking in favor of spending modest bucks to get a great baseline headstart almost anytime!
Just my opinion and suggestion, of course!
Bob
There is a specific (and very positively-reviewed) Dragon Pz. III Ausf J Initial Production kit #6463, and a slightly different Dragon III Ausf J early production (Tp) kit #6543) kit available - both are excellent and should get you to where you wish, and probably either could arrive at your door from evilbay vendors for maybe $40 or so in the USA. Either could provide you a great base to build a host of specific early J tanks.
By me, time and effort are valuable - I'll skip endless hours of difficult reworking in favor of spending modest bucks to get a great baseline headstart almost anytime!

Just my opinion and suggestion, of course!
Bob

Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 10:07 PM UTC
I think the Achtung Panzer books are the single best books to do work like this. After that, panzer tracts is very helpful with details.


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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2014 - 11:17 AM UTC
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I suggest you to use one of Dragon's kit dedicated at ausf J version, it should be more convenient (PE, Magic Tracks links included) and they offer possibility to make a early o late version.
Regards
After studying some drawings of the J &L I noticed the turrets (only difference being the side vision port) and lower hull are the same
I have the Dragon Pz III J 2n1 & Pz III J Initial Production kits
I can change out the long 50 for the short 50 from the Dragon Pz III J 2n1
I'm planning to use the Tank Workshop 50mm Barrel w/ Canvas Sleeve I have on the Pz III J 2n1
If I can find a upper hull I can use most of the Pz III L kit
Billy

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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2014 - 03:50 AM UTC
I have a new conversion...
I just received the Tamiya Pz III N #35290 and sense it's the same kit as the Pz III L I have I'm going to convert the L into a N
Billy
I just received the Tamiya Pz III N #35290 and sense it's the same kit as the Pz III L I have I'm going to convert the L into a N
Billy

easyco69

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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2014 - 03:57 AM UTC
Using Dragon kits/parts would be easier.
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