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US GMC CCKW 750 Gallon Tanker
CMOT
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Posted: Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 09:43 AM UTC
Darren Baker takes a look at the US GMC CCKW 750 Gallon Tanker release from Hobby Boss.
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KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 04:48 PM UTC
Are the tanks convex on one end and concave on the other?
KL
KL
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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 04:49 AM UTC
Looks nice! (Except for those scaffold poles holding the mirrors? Wire to the rescue...) The "cab" sprue has a lot of empty space, suggesting perhaps there are parts for the open cab that are blanked off? If so, it would have been nice to see them in the same box so the builder had a choice, instead of as a separate "soft-top" truck release once all the hard-cab kits are sold. (Like with the earlier White 666 kit - I bought the original one, and won't be forking out for the soft-top version anytime soon.)
Still, the hard-top will be fattening my collection soon enough!
Still, the hard-top will be fattening my collection soon enough!
JPTRR
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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 05:09 AM UTC
This is a subject that I want. It looks good to me. I have the old Testors/Italeri/ (Peerless Max? ) tanker and would like a modern kit - this should do it! Darren, did you build this or are the build pix company photos? Good looking model!
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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 07:19 AM UTC
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Are the tanks convex on one end and concave on the other?
KL
That is correct Kurt, they are concave and convex, with concave facing convex at the butted end.
armyguy
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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 01:34 PM UTC
Tom you noticed those big holes on the cab sprue to . I noticed them when comparing early test shots and the photos in Darren review in the waiting for a new Deuce and a Half thread.
In the test shots you will see the cab sides,floorpan ,windshield and dash. In Darren's review you will see the windshield and dash. If they blocked off some parts why not the other two parts.
As long as they all ready have the parts in the molds put them in the kit make it a two in one kit. Give the modeler a choice.
Darren thank you for the good review. The part about the bows and tarp to make it look like a cargo truck was interesting .
Dave M
In the test shots you will see the cab sides,floorpan ,windshield and dash. In Darren's review you will see the windshield and dash. If they blocked off some parts why not the other two parts.
As long as they all ready have the parts in the molds put them in the kit make it a two in one kit. Give the modeler a choice.
Darren thank you for the good review. The part about the bows and tarp to make it look like a cargo truck was interesting .
Dave M
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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 03:45 PM UTC
The cab is misshapen; too narrow! Look at the cab on the buildup, on the sprue, and compare to the box art. I'm disappointed because I loved the HB White 666 kit and was really looking forward to this one.
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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 11:25 PM UTC
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The cab is misshapen; too narrow! Look at the cab on the buildup, on the sprue, and compare to the box art.
I would not make any judgements based upon advertising paintings. Is there some reference to the actual vehicle that you can mention?
KL
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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 11:29 PM UTC
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As long as they all ready have the parts in the molds put them in the kit make it a two in one kit. Give the modeler a choice.
They are giving you a choice: Buy a hardtop kit, buy an open cab kit, buy both, or buy neither.
One must remember that these companies are producing kits to make money for themselves, not to serve some greater good of Mankind.
KL
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2014 - 11:15 AM UTC
I am truly sorry to be the bearer of bad news as I have been looking forward to this HobbyBoss release with great excitement but . . .
First, I took the best 90 degree profile photo of an original WWII CCKW cab that I could find online. I then lifted a passenger side door from one of the model manufacture's own sprue photos and overlayed the two.
I uniformly scaled the photo of the plastic model door image until the distance from the lower left corner of the door straight up to the beltline of both doors was the same.
Draw your own conclusions.
p.s. The plastic door in the photo does NOT go all the way to the bottom of the cab because the edge of the cab floorboard forms the bottom lip of the cab as seen on both the model and the real thing.
First, I took the best 90 degree profile photo of an original WWII CCKW cab that I could find online. I then lifted a passenger side door from one of the model manufacture's own sprue photos and overlayed the two.
I uniformly scaled the photo of the plastic model door image until the distance from the lower left corner of the door straight up to the beltline of both doors was the same.
Draw your own conclusions.
p.s. The plastic door in the photo does NOT go all the way to the bottom of the cab because the edge of the cab floorboard forms the bottom lip of the cab as seen on both the model and the real thing.
DocEvan
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2014 - 01:49 PM UTC
Frustrating! My car modeling cronies kvetch so much when the car model companies get stuff like this wrong that you'd think the models were made from human body parts. We do expect that for the amount of money they invest in tooling, something like a major proportion they would get right on the first try. Yes, they're in the business to make money, but it's our money! Arrggghh!
165thspc
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2014 - 02:21 PM UTC
Especially when you consider that there are a multitude of vintage restored CCKW's out there to measure and compare the scale work to!
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2014 - 06:45 PM UTC
Could the hardtop cab from Italeri be used instead ?
/ Robin
/ Robin
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2014 - 08:59 PM UTC
Michael I tried the same as you with a slightly different result. I feel that while the front of the window frame is adrift the rest would appear a good match and the portion of the frame not covered in scale would be less than 1mm.
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2014 - 11:05 PM UTC
Sorry but you have run your door all the way to the bottom of the cab and it does not do that. There is a horizontal floor molding below the door on the CCKW and on the model.
Then you have run your door too far up and covered up the drip strip above the door.
In other words in your photo you have made your door taller than it should be so your door also then appears wider than it should be which then minimizes the mistake made by HobbyBoss.
The marketplace will decide for themselves but I stand by my statements connected to the first photo.
Then you have run your door too far up and covered up the drip strip above the door.
In other words in your photo you have made your door taller than it should be so your door also then appears wider than it should be which then minimizes the mistake made by HobbyBoss.
The marketplace will decide for themselves but I stand by my statements connected to the first photo.
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 12:35 AM UTC
In case anyone else would like to try the same experiment:
Vodnik
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Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 08:24 AM UTC
Just note that the door in the real truck photo is not parallel to the picture plane, as the cab sides are angled. This means that the door is in fact even a bit wider that the photo shows.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 10:45 AM UTC
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Especially when you consider that there are a multitude of vintage restored CCKW's out there to measure and compare the scale work to!
Then somebody here ought to have the width and height measurements of a door that can be compared to the model part, wouldn't you think?
KL
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 11:55 AM UTC
I have some access to Patton's office truck at the Patton Museum which is still at Ft. Knox and also a SWB CCKW about 12 miles closer but that is still a 212 mile round trip drive so I won't be measuring them anytime soon.
Anybody else?
Anybody else?
DocEvan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 02:33 PM UTC
If one looks at multiple pics of the real truck, and the kit's cab and door, the narrowness just pops right out, at least to my eye. Both parts have squashed look front to back, as if the truck had driven into a wall.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 - 03:09 AM UTC
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If one looks at multiple pics of the real truck, and the kit's cab and door, the narrowness just pops right out, at least to my eye. Both parts have squashed look front to back, as if the truck had driven into a wall.
Unfortunately you are right
I'm not interested in this particular kit, but I was planning to get the announced HB CCKW 352... It will of course share the cab parts with this kit, so I'm no longer sure I will buy it 165thspc
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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 - 04:06 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextIf one looks at multiple pics of the real truck, and the kit's cab and door, the narrowness just pops right out, at least to my eye. Both parts have squashed look front to back, as if the truck had driven into a wall.
Unfortunately you are right
As a artist, photographer and graphic designer of some 35+ years experience I immediately came to the same conclusion. I have an eye for proportions and the doors and cab just looked wrong from the first instant.
165thspc
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 03:21 AM UTC
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Could the hardtop cab from Italeri be used instead ?
/ Robin
I know the Italeri cab will drop right onto the Tamiya chassis even using the Tamiya front fenders so if the rest of the proportions are correct the Italeri cab SHOULD drop right onto the HobyBoss works.
165thspc
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 03:28 AM UTC
I know HobbyBoss is probably shipping this model as we speak but I really think they should stop the presses and go no further until they have fixed this gross error. If not this model will forever be delegated to the ranks of the "compromised models" along with the recent M103 and the M6. (And I will also include the current MAZ 537 in that list.)
165thspc
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Posted: Monday, September 08, 2014 - 10:01 PM UTC
Regarding the question of measurements on the door of the enclosed cab Deuce and a Half:
Thanks to the fine folks at the World War II Museum in New Orleans I now have the following information:
The bottom edge of the closed cab Deuce door is 34 1/4 inches wide. Also the door is 31 3/4 inches wide at the belt line molding so those of you with the HobbyBoss model Deuce in hand, scale it out for us and let us know how the model measures up.
Thanks to the fine folks at the World War II Museum in New Orleans I now have the following information:
The bottom edge of the closed cab Deuce door is 34 1/4 inches wide. Also the door is 31 3/4 inches wide at the belt line molding so those of you with the HobbyBoss model Deuce in hand, scale it out for us and let us know how the model measures up.
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