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Dutch PzH 2000 in Afghanistan
Alpha6
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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 06:44 PM UTC
Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how I can scratch build the add on armor for a Dutch PzH2000 in Afghanistan? Or if I even need to scratch build the add on armor? I was thinking about possibly building a Dutch vehicle during Operation Medusa. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone
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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 08:04 PM UTC
All the Afghanistan pics of Dutch PzH 2000 I've seen so far show them fitted with the add-on armor...

Like I've said in another thread you probably remember , a German one without add-on armor would be an easier option...

EDIT : if you wish to stick to the Dutch option, you can build one as it appeared when loaded into a US Air Force C-17 cargo plane used to carry it to Afghanistan ( = without add-on armor)...





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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 02:23 AM UTC
I think scratchbuilding a C-17 in 1/35 scale is a bigger challenge than building the Bombletpanzerung.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 02:53 AM UTC

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I think scratchbuilding a C-17 in 1/35 scale is a bigger challenge than building the Bombletpanzerung.
H.-H.


I guess so as well At least it would be doable in 1/72nd scale (even though the kit below apparently has some flaws...) :

http://www.anigrand.com/AA2071_C-17.htm

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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 05:54 PM UTC
Thanks for your suggestions everyone. The main reason for this post is mainly to see how people would scratch build the add on armor on the vehicle. And I was curious to see if there are any plain Dutch pzh 2000s out there in Afghanistan. sorry if I was being overly repetitive.
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 09:59 PM UTC
I don`t se why the Bombletapmzerung couldn`t be build from scratch. In my perspective, the "hairs" on the modules don`t matter in 1/35 scale. Cutting the modules in the right shape is the challenge without proper references.
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 11:25 PM UTC

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Cutting the modules in the right shape is the challenge without proper references.


There are some 1/35th scale drawings showing them in this book :



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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 12:38 AM UTC
I think that Meng somehow used this drawing.
But if you want to build a Bundeswehr PzH2000 in firing position in AFG, another probloem occurs: The Firing Posoition made of HESCO Bastionelements! I check my my resources and came up with 15 elements long and 10 elements wide. Each wall is made of 2 elements high and 2 elements deep. On top of the sides are 5 elemntes extra. Makes roundabout 160 elememts = Very deep pockets!
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 02:36 AM UTC
A Dutch battery would be cheaper



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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 03:47 AM UTC
On a dutch moddeling site the same quistion whas asked maybe its off some use
http://www.twenot-forums.nl/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29923&p=276120&hilit=Pzh#p276120

Walk around without armour
http://s269.photobucket.com/user/Ericdegraaf/slideshow/Walk%20around%20Pzh%202000%20NL

And some further info concerning a revell built maybe it is usefull ( all in dutch)
http://www.twenot-forums.nl/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23729&hilit=Pzh
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 03:47 AM UTC
I was wondering if Revell and Meng have made the same version.

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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 04:32 AM UTC
Hi Alex,
there is only one version the PzH2000. Although there are the designations PzH2000 A1 and A2, there are no great changes in the vehicles. The designation A1 says that the vehicles have a new processor for the fire control system. A2 means only that the vehicles a equipped with the Bombletpanzerung (roof armor).
HTH
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 04:43 AM UTC
Krauss-Maffei Wegmamm promotional video:

http://www.myvideo.de/watch/4691591/Panzerhaubitze_2000_Vollstaendiger_Lehrfilm
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 04:47 AM UTC
For those who are mot afraid of scratchbuilding
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_61-52_MONARC.htm
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 09:36 AM UTC

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Hi Alex,
there is only one version the PzH2000. Although there are the designations PzH2000 A1 and A2, there are no great changes in the vehicles. The designation A1 says that the vehicles have a new processor for the fire control system. A2 means only that the vehicles a equipped with the Bombletpanzerung (roof armor).
HTH
H.-H.


Thank you.
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 10:43 AM UTC

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On a dutch moddeling site the same quistion whas asked maybe its off some use
http://www.twenot-forums.nl/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29923&p=276120&hilit=Pzh#p276120

Walk around without armour
http://s269.photobucket.com/user/Ericdegraaf/slideshow/Walk%20around%20Pzh%202000%20NL

And some further info concerning a revell built maybe it is usefull ( all in dutch)
http://www.twenot-forums.nl/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23729&hilit=Pzh


Forgive me if this sounds like a stupid question, but this is a Dutch PzH 2000 in Afghanistan, right? The reason I ask is because I can't seem to find any markings on there.

@HermannB, good thing I'm not putting my vehicle in a diorama then . My collection is already taking up a lot of room.

Thanks everyone for your help.
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