Old Glory (working title)

I am working on a new idea and wanted to hear if it would work

I was looking thru a old Verlinden book ( The Verlinden way II) when I saw this picture



and I got a image in my head which I will try to explain:

The basis for the concept is the hanger as made by Verlinden, but …. Not as a workplace but as a museum.



there would be 2 tanks a allied (Sherman) and a German one (PzKfw III) and in front of the Shermans stands a veteran with his grandson remembering his “old glory” days in 1944 when he was a crewman on the Sherman.

On the walls there could be vintage pictures and propaganda posters and to separate the Allied from the German side there could be 2 flags hanging from the roof

In the corner there can be some wooden ww2 boxes, or a MG stand .

What do you think?

Any comments or suggestions are welcome

In my opinion it is nice idea. It is something new. I have never seen " museum dio" before.
How you are you going to make grandson and grandfather? I think it will be hard to find this figures in modelshop.

Sounds like a good idea, Ronny.

A couple points:

If this is supposed to be set in the U.S., you may want to change the title. Here in the states, we refer to our nation's flag as "Old Glory." You may want to use another phrase you used in your description: "Glory Days" (Ok, it's a Springsteen song, but I think it's appropriate to this use.)

Also, lots of old vets are members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. On Memorial Day, Veterans Day and other special occasions, some of them put on parts of their old uniforms, pin on their ribbons and get out and about. They also wear garrison-style caps with badges and emroidery on them. To reinforce that fact that Grandpa is a vet, you may want to dress him in VFW style.

To find pics of veterans dressed this way, you might try a Google image search for VFW, Veterans Day, etc.

Good luck!

I think maybe you should paint the tanks in the wrong colors., something close to factory original but not quite. Maybe gloss coat them. I also notice that they tend to be clean of dirt and mud even if they are rusted up.

Hi Ronny,

I really like this idea because it’s so different. If I was a judge at a contest your dio as you described it would really catch my eye. I think ShermiesRule got a point concerning the paint job. But I would only paint the panzer in the wrong colors that’s because I think that they would get the allied color scheme Wright. Maybe you can put two “dummies” showing the uniforms of the Allies and Germans in the space between the tanks?



Freek

Might be tough to get the figs posed right, but you would not have to work too hard on the flesh tones :-)

The folks at VLS, but I misremember which product line now, did some refugee figures, even an old man and a boy holding a woman's hand. Might be right up your alley.

No weathering, no paint accuracy issues, no markings issues, heck, even no stowage accuracy issues.

You might have found the perfect way to build models!!

Mike

interesting idea man maybe do it more bigger? add some more vehicles?

There are multiple "Grandpa" and "small boy" figures on the Market... check RedLancers website for ADZ35, Custom Dioramics, and Verlinden... you will find a good selection.

Also... almost every single "museum" tank I have seen is "stripped" of many pieces such as antenneas, spare track, machine guns, etc... so be sure to leave those off... also, it is common that restored units are simply cleaned and then sprayed with a coat of "grey primer" for German tanks, and the US tanks are often done in a light green... I don't know why - but that would add realism in my opinion.... also - be sure to "rope off" the display area, and perhaps put a sign that read "Please do not climb on or in Display Vehicles".

Hollowpoint,

Thanks for explaining a couple of things. I don't know how to put it right, but within a couple of words you explained things that will improve te overall scene big time...it's those small things that can make a big difference....

About the flag, the "Old Glory", for instance.... this was totaly unknown to me..."Old Glory" seemed like a good title to me too for this, but from an international perspective you showed us that the U.S. people would expect something totaly different as we do as we talk about "Old Glory".... a few words, but I learned a lot. Thanks !

Ronny ik like the idea a lot !! keep us posted!! and good luck!!

greets Daan

beste ronny

ik weet nog dat'k als kind met mijn grootvader naar het militair museum te brussel ging, 'k weet nie goed of'k daar nog ergens foto's van liggen heb maar ik zie dat idee de volle 100 % lukken, aangezien jouw talent .... :-)

figuurtjes van burgers zijn'r bij de vleet dus dat zit wel goed, voor die vlaggen probeer es extra detail, gewoon copieren !!

als je foto's nodig hebt ivm overschilderde tanks te brussel stuur gewoon een e-mail en ik scan ze in voor jou.

voor eventuele tankmotor tamiya verkoopt enkele setjes, waar'k ooit es een review van gedaan heb, best duur maar misschien met de nodige korting ???


groetjes en succes

dmd

Well, not all AFV's are like that. Check these out. It's from a museum up in Auburn, Indiana. http://www.americanheritagevillage.com/wwii.html
Or, if you want, check my profile, go to Topics Started, and look at "You gotta see this!" It might help you. Thanks for your time.

I like the idea a lot. As you do your research, check this out: Patton Museum Virtual Tour . This is from the Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor at Fort Knox KY.

WOW that patton museum virtual tour is great and gives some great ideas.

I was planning to put a manaquin or 2 on display and was because I have some old 1/72 airfix boxes on the shelfes I was thinking of putting a diorama in a diorama :-)

I love this idea, Ronny. Inside the museum at Aberdeen, there are several static displays of different types of weapons. They have a French tank inside as well as a Jeep. The one thing that I had never seen before was a German Goliath on a pedestal. I have a couple of pictures of this if you are interested.

Also, if possible, I think it would really be cool if you could include an acrylic coin box by the door with a sign asking for donations to help fund restoration of vehicles. They had one at Aberdeen, as I'm sure they do at all armor museums. Could fill it with tiny discs of silver and copper coins, as well as paper money. Keep us posted, this sounds like a winner before you even start it.

Patrick

great Idea, you might also want to put a sign that says something like "I am a tired old veteran, please do not climb on me" next to the tank/s. You might want to try putting something interesting in between, like the goliath at aberdeen, but paint it all in one color, like gloss black like at aberdeen. Also if you put a jeep, or kubel in there, put jacks under the chassis, as museums often do. Also, an interesting thing would be to play some old 1940's big band music in the backround.

i find it a much interseting idea and with proper work it could turn to a winner cause it will be different. the reference is also easy with all the museum pictures available so i think we ll see something nice . Go on

Ronny-
not sure if you already picked up the figures you need, but I was searching for 1/35 civilians just now and happened upon a set that has an elderly man and young child, and I remembered your post here.
The set is # jf002 Civilian Male Set (Junior Town Model - never heard of it, not sure of the quality.) Found it on Great Models Webstore.

PeaceMaker,

Tnx for the tip m8.

No I haven't started on this project yet; I decided to slow things down because I have started so many concepts and pre-planning that it became to much.

I have put it all aside and restarted a earlier project (containing a rifle stock) but you will soon see what.

This project however is only postponed not thrown away and I want to do this on 2004!

Very good concept, its nice to see something other than war it could have a very interesting story to go along with it. The grandpaw being a vet telling the boy about his glory days.

I´ve saw a museu dio before.. its in Great Scale modelling 2003 or 2002... and is from a Brazilian guy... but it still a great idea!!

dat is een leuk idee.

Wat dacht je van de Duitse dio identiek hetzelfde te maken als de yank dio ?
Alsof ze een spiegelbeeld van elkaar zijn.
Wat paaltjes en kleine info standjes voor de tanks en de 2 mannen.

Of je kan ook een dio in het museum maken, zoals ik in Diekirch museum heb gezien, gewoon een kubelwagen met 10 mannen ergens anders in het museum ofzo.

De keuzes zijn enorm !

Allez hou ons op de hoogte !!!!
Kan niet wachten om de foto's te zien !

I really like the concept... It allows you to really bring in a lot of different elements... US tank, German tank... As well as the nice image of the grandfather and grandson to tie things together...

If you do use "dummies" make them grey faceless mannequins. that way they are not confuzed with real peopole, maybe put them in a 3' square glass "cases" on wooden bases? Display Cases as well..guns/etc..?

thats a very good idea Ronny. this photo is from National d-day museum in new orleans,LA. it can give hints how a Sherman looks in a museum,maybe it can help for a nameplate in your diorama. you can add a young army officer or a museum worker walking towards the vet and grandson to show respect to the old vet..maybe panzer III can be a captured one with some US markings..just a few ideas