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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2014 - 11:27 AM UTC
I am doing the Tamiya Nashorn. Marvelous kit with both expended and new ammo rounds. I used MM Brass paint and I am not getting that shiny effect. How do you attain that finish on the rounds?
Thanks
DJ
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2014 - 12:16 PM UTC
Google some photos for "Alclad Polished Brass".

Pricey but pretty great stuff.

Jeff
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2014 - 12:54 PM UTC
Hi DJ,

Take a look at this build I am doing, the bottom photos show the rounds. If you like them, what I did was mix Apple Barrel craft paint gold with Vallejo Steel. Smooth and shiny without looking like gold leaf!

http://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/226040&page=1
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2014 - 01:04 PM UTC
Try slapping some clear cotte on them after they dry.
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2014 - 01:25 PM UTC

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Hi DJ,

Take a look at this build I am doing, the bottom photos show the rounds. If you like them, what I did was mix Apple Barrel craft paint gold with Vallejo Steel. Smooth and shiny without looking like gold leaf!

http://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/226040&page=1



That's the effect I am seeking and thank you for the information
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2014 - 01:26 PM UTC

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Try slapping some clear cotte on them after they dry.



I tried that one without success, how did you do it?
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2014 - 01:27 PM UTC

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Google some photos for "Alclad Polished Brass".

Pricey but pretty great stuff.

Jeff



Jeff- ouch! Pricey is an understatement.

DJ

PS-- I just ordered it
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2014 - 04:26 PM UTC
I saw someone had posted somewhere on the site that, brass being as scarce as it was in late-war Germany, the Germans were making their ammo from steel instead. If you're after accuracy, you may want to check into what the appropraite color should be. [For my part, I tend to favor visual interest--within the realm of plausible--over strict accuracy.]

There are a few types of rub-on or self-adhesive gold leaf foil that might give you the look you're after at a fraction of the cost and effort of Alclad.

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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 01:24 AM UTC

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I saw someone had posted somewhere on the site that, brass being as scarce as it was in late-war Germany, the Germans were making their ammo from steel instead. If you're after accuracy, you may want to check into what the appropraite color should be. [For my part, I tend to favor visual interest--within the realm of plausible--over strict accuracy.]

There are a few types of rub-on or self-adhesive gold leaf foil that might give you the look you're after at a fraction of the cost and effort of Alclad.




Mark-- thank you....I wonder if they used something other than brass
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 07:57 AM UTC
DJ,
Think back to those 105mm rounds that you fired off of your then new to you M1 at Yano Range in 1988...

I used Vallejo black gray as a base coat and rubbed some AK Dark Steel pigment to give the casing their metallic sheen...

John
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 08:10 AM UTC
Speaking of Vallejo, they make a Metallic Bright Brass (71.067) which might provide some interesting possibilities.

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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 02:20 PM UTC

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DJ,
Think back to those 105mm rounds that you fired off of your then new to you M1 at Yano Range in 1988...

I used Vallejo black gray as a base coat and rubbed some AK Dark Steel pigment to give the casing their metallic sheen...

John



John-- did the German in the 1944 period use metallic rounds or brass?
thanks
DJ

Ah, yes, Yano Range.....where those hoodlums of yours finally (finally) qualified
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 06:25 PM UTC
Ak-interactive have released a new series of metal wax. Haven't tried it myself though. Saw a video on youtube and it looked pretty good.
http://www.ak-interactive.com/ecomm/?acc=Catalog&sacc=view&IDCat=&p=&idp=5554&idc=1
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Posted: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 - 06:45 AM UTC

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Ak-interactive have released a new series of metal wax. Haven't tried it myself though. Saw a video on youtube and it looked pretty good.
http://www.ak-interactive.com/ecomm/?acc=Catalog&sacc=view&IDCat=&p=&idp=5554&idc=1



Interesting, thanks
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Posted: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 - 12:15 PM UTC
I believe Humbrol has colors that you buff to a nice luster . Just not sure about the brass color . Just check the brass they have only in metallic colors .
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Posted: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 - 06:58 PM UTC

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I am doing the Tamiya Nashorn. Marvelous kit with both expended and new ammo rounds. I used MM Brass paint and I am not getting that shiny effect. How do you attain that finish on the rounds?
Thanks
DJ


Brass or gold model paints have relatively coarse metal particles, that don't look right for scale polished brass. The buffable metallics sold for aircraft modelers are a better bet, though an alternative (if you can find it) is gold printer's ink. It can be thinned with enamel thinner.
The buffable metallic wax mentioned above has been sold in the US under the brand name Rub 'n' Buff for decades. It's available at arts and crafts stores, and comes in a wide range of colors. Not widely known is that it, too, can be thinned with enamel thinner and brushed on. I used to use the silver for worn steel. It can lose its luster over time, though.
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 12:12 AM UTC

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I am doing the Tamiya Nashorn. Marvelous kit with both expended and new ammo rounds. I used MM Brass paint and I am not getting that shiny effect. How do you attain that finish on the rounds?
Thanks
DJ


Brass or gold model paints have relatively coarse metal particles, that don't look right for scale polished brass. The buffable metallics sold for aircraft modelers are a better bet, though an alternative (if you can find it) is gold printer's ink. It can be thinned with enamel thinner.
The buffable metallic wax mentioned above has been sold in the US under the brand name Rub 'n' Buff for decades. It's available at arts and crafts stores, and comes in a wide range of colors. Not widely known is that it, too, can be thinned with enamel thinner and brushed on. I used to use the silver for worn steel. It can lose its luster over time, though.



I appreciate your input. Are you saying that late war Germany produced metallic versus brass casings for ammunition?
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 01:03 AM UTC
I seem to recall that Dave Parker used Gunze Mr Metal Colour brass on the cases of his 1/16 Tiger B in AFV Modeller. It can also be polished and the results looked very good (as does the whole project actually). He also painted some cases as the later war steel type, which I believe were coated with a greenish lacquer. Whether this was for rust prevention or easier extraction I can't remember but the exact purpose is probably of limited relevance if you're not planning a) to make them from real steel and b) to fire them.
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 07:03 AM UTC

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DJ,
Think back to those 105mm rounds that you fired off of your then new to you M1 at Yano Range in 1988...

I used Vallejo black gray as a base coat and rubbed some AK Dark Steel pigment to give the casing their metallic sheen...

John



DJ,
I don't know of the particulars of the 88mm casings in 1944... I used Dave Parker's efforts in the interior of his Tiger B as my reference when I did a 1946 Paper Panzer model that sported a 88mm gun.

John

John-- did the German in the 1944 period use metallic rounds or brass?
thanks
DJ

Ah, yes, Yano Range.....where those hoodlums of yours finally (finally) qualified

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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 09:36 AM UTC
DJ Judge,

To add to the multitude of products already mentioned - Lifecolor produces a set of acrylic paints for "Guns and Weapons" which includes a "reflecting agent". You apparently mix it in with your paint and when it's dry you have to rub it a bit to buff up the color to give it a metallic sheen. The more you rub the more prominent the effect.

http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/lifecolor-guns-weapons-set-22ml-x-6/

Haven't tried it myself though yet.
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 01:51 PM UTC

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DJ Judge,

To add to the multitude of products already mentioned - Lifecolor produces a set of acrylic paints for "Guns and Weapons" which includes a "reflecting agent". You apparently mix it in with your paint and when it's dry you have to rub it a bit to buff up the color to give it a metallic sheen. The more you rub the more prominent the effect.

http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/lifecolor-guns-weapons-set-22ml-x-6/

Haven't tried it myself though yet.



Alexey-- nice! I am seeking the correct color for the anti-tank rounds carried by the Nashorn. Let you know how this turns out
Thanks again
DJ
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 06:08 PM UTC

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I am doing the Tamiya Nashorn. Marvelous kit with both expended and new ammo rounds. I used MM Brass paint and I am not getting that shiny effect. How do you attain that finish on the rounds?
Thanks
DJ


Brass or gold model paints have relatively coarse metal particles, that don't look right for scale polished brass. The buffable metallics sold for aircraft modelers are a better bet, though an alternative (if you can find it) is gold printer's ink. It can be thinned with enamel thinner.
The buffable metallic wax mentioned above has been sold in the US under the brand name Rub 'n' Buff for decades. It's available at arts and crafts stores, and comes in a wide range of colors. Not widely known is that it, too, can be thinned with enamel thinner and brushed on. I used to use the silver for worn steel. It can lose its luster over time, though.



I appreciate your input. Are you saying that late war Germany produced metallic versus brass casings for ammunition?



I was referring to gold-tone metallics to depict brass, though in the latter half of the war, German artillery and tank ammunition used steel rather than brass cartridge cases. It was heavily greased to prevent rust. I don't have an exact date for its introduction, but it was certainly in use in 1944-45. Old stocks of ammunition would undoubtedly be mixed with new at times, so both types might be seen on the same vehicle.
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Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2014 - 04:52 PM UTC
Rust-o-Leum Bright Coat can be found at almost any hardware store and major retail stores. The pigment is so fine, it is invisible. I actually try to tone it down some, as it almost looks too shiny.
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Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2014 - 05:33 PM UTC

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I am doing the Tamiya Nashorn. Marvelous kit with both expended and new ammo rounds. I used MM Brass paint and I am not getting that shiny effect. How do you attain that finish on the rounds?
Thanks
DJ


Brass or gold model paints have relatively coarse metal particles, that don't look right for scale polished brass. The buffable metallics sold for aircraft modelers are a better bet, though an alternative (if you can find it) is gold printer's ink. It can be thinned with enamel thinner.
The buffable metallic wax mentioned above has been sold in the US under the brand name Rub 'n' Buff for decades. It's available at arts and crafts stores, and comes in a wide range of colors. Not widely known is that it, too, can be thinned with enamel thinner and brushed on. I used to use the silver for worn steel. It can lose its luster over time, though.



I appreciate your input. Are you saying that late war Germany produced metallic versus brass casings for ammunition?



I was referring to gold-tone metallics to depict brass, though in the latter half of the war, German artillery and tank ammunition used steel rather than brass cartridge cases. It was heavily greased to prevent rust. I don't have an exact date for its introduction, but it was certainly in use in 1944-45. Old stocks of ammunition would undoubtedly be mixed with new at times, so both types might be seen on the same vehicle.



Well that solves a part of my challenge! Thanks for the response
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Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2014 - 05:34 PM UTC

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Rust-o-Leum Bright Coat can be found at almost any hardware store and major retail stores. The pigment is so fine, it is invisible. I actually try to tone it down some, as it almost looks too shiny.



"Rust-o-Leum Bright Coat".....I will certainly look that one up....thanks
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