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M2A2 ODS TOW Missile, Which?
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Posted: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 - 08:41 PM UTC
Ok, I got myself some photos of TOW Missile.

Question is, which one of these were used by M2A2 ODS Bradley? Or if many of them, which was the most commonly used?
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Posted: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 - 08:57 PM UTC
Only TOW2 variants, probably TOW2B, or something newer. Please note that Tamiya models have TOW1 launcher which is correct only for basic M2/M3 vehicles, but M2A1/M3A1 and M2A2/M3A2 all have TOW2 launcher. Converting Tamiya TOW1 launcher to TOW2 is possible, but requires some scratchbuilding.

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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 03:58 PM UTC
Not really true.
As you can see from the forst picture, this has the 2 locking handle launcher. This Bradley actually has the TOW2B configuration in it. The launcher is indeed an upgrade, but they both still do the same. The onlt difference is that the first launcher arms each missile individually and the newer launcher arms both missiles at the same time. The main differences between the different TOW configurations is in the MGS(Missile Guidence Set), this is the main brain of the TOW sysytem.
The bottom 2 pages came out of my school manuals and the first picture was taken in Paris, Texas at a National Guard Armory. My team had a contact mission to fix this Bradley's TOW system.


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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 07:00 PM UTC
The M220A2 (TOW 2B) on the M2A2 is able fire any TOW missile be it the basic TOW misslie (BGM-71A) all the way up to the fly over, fire down (BGM-71F) (TOW 2B)). IMHO, since I was a TOW Platoon Sergeant, before I retired back in 96. I would have to say that in combat the Army would be using either the TOW 2A (BM-71E) or the BGM-71F.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 08:11 PM UTC

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Not really true.



Well, OK I was wrong about missiles used, but I was definitelly right about the type of launcher used in A1 and A2 variants of Bradley . Both use new style launcher, different than the one in older M2 and M2 vehicles and the one in Tamiya kits. So regardless of the type of missiles launched you MUST modify the launcher in the model if you want to make it really accurate.

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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 01:12 AM UTC
Thanks guys! I just want to open up the TOW holes in the Tammy M2A2 cause it looks unreal enough. Because of that, I would like to add the missiles. Thanks guys! Hmmm.... does the M1046 HMMV has a TOW missile? Any of those? I think about instead of scratchbuilding I would get parts from other models. Thanks!
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 03:08 AM UTC

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Thanks guys! I just want to open up the TOW holes in the Tammy M2A2 cause it looks unreal enough. Because of that, I would like to add the missiles. Thanks guys! Hmmm.... does the M1046 HMMV has a TOW missile? Any of those? I think about instead of scratchbuilding I would get parts from other models. Thanks!



Well, actually if you want to make the launcher look real, DO NOT open holes and put missiles there! Launcher loaded with missiles have the front and back of the launching tube covered with some thin stuff (paper maybe?) that stops all the dust and dirt from getting into the tube. The missile after launch just rips through this thin cover destroying it. Only empty launcher will have open holes at the front and back. Well, at least that's what I read somewhere, I hope someone knowledgeable will confirm that.

In Concord Bradley book there is many photos of Brads during exercises with some training devices loaded to missile tubes - they protrude from the back of each tube, unlike live missile tubes that are almost flush with the back of the launcher. And the front of the launcher tubes is open (there are "holes" visible) while these devices are loaded.
Anyone can tell us what those devices are and how they work?

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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 03:19 AM UTC
Little bit but I was looking for the training round pics for Vodnick and came across a site with three pages of pretty nice Bradley pictures.

Shaun

http://www.combatindex.com/hardware/detail/land/m2.html
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 03:49 AM UTC

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Little bit but I was looking for the training round pics for Vodnick and came across a site with three pages of pretty nice Bradley pictures.



Shaun, Great find!
And there was one photo with Bradley loaded with those training rounds:


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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 03:51 AM UTC
And another photo, this time shows the backs of live missile tubes - with covers on them:



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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 09:37 AM UTC
Vodnik,
The first picture has MILES TOW missile launchers mounted... The part that is protruding from the launcher box houses the ATWESS cartridges which replicates the missile’s launch signature. The front of the missile canister is open to allow for the MILES laser to fire towards the intended target. The gunner must keep the sight's crosshairs on the target for 15 seconds so the laser will "accumulate" enough coded bits to make the tank's MILES system indicate that it is "dead."
FWIW
John
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 01:48 AM UTC
Thanks guys! Too bad I've opened up the whole . Anyways, I'll just cover it. I'll add those paper thingy on my benched M2A2 ODS
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