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Major_Goose

Joined: September 30, 2003
KitMaker: 6,871 posts
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Posted: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 - 10:48 PM UTC
On holiday shopping and in a quick visit to a friends hobby shop, he had just unpacked a full load of Trumpeter stuff. The first that i saw interesting i grabbed em. The M1 Abrams and The Challenger. I believe theyre rec ent releases. i ve just opened the boxes and closed em again but i saw good texture and details and in general a good effort. I have never build anything from Trumpeter, but after i bought them i saw that the same models in other brands costed twice as them !!!!! , and i thought that something is going wrong. So i would be very thankfull to any fellow modeller that has build these two kits to give me a hand , on how good they really are , and what to take care on building them. Thanks a lot


mikeli125

Joined: December 24, 2002
KitMaker: 2,595 posts
Armorama: 1,209 posts

Posted: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 - 11:27 PM UTC
Mjr Goose,
here for a look at the tumpeter kit I think there is a bit of filling and sanding to do on the
side bins on the turret and some other little bits the abrams is supposed to be one of the best kits of the tank out there of course you can go down the AM route for the chally 2 as AA have an update kit for it bit costsa about 3x the kit price! there are 2 new kits one for telic and one for kosovo I'd just build them the AS-90 is quite nice too
here for a look at the tumpeter kit I think there is a bit of filling and sanding to do on the
side bins on the turret and some other little bits the abrams is supposed to be one of the best kits of the tank out there of course you can go down the AM route for the chally 2 as AA have an update kit for it bit costsa about 3x the kit price! there are 2 new kits one for telic and one for kosovo I'd just build them the AS-90 is quite nice too

Jurgen

Joined: October 29, 2003
KitMaker: 651 posts
Armorama: 510 posts

Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 01:51 AM UTC
Trumpeter M1A1HA Abrams looks great when opening the box... Nice little details like tow-shackles, CIP panels (5), APU (bustle and rear) and stuff like that...
BUT if you start with it, you'll have to have your Putty ready cause it's gonna be a lot of filling and sanding...
I'm going to build the Trumpeter M1A1HA for Operation Abrams ID so I was dryfitting and stuff, but I think it's gonna give me hard times when it's Februari 14th....
#:-)
Check out the Trumpeter Tweaks list
(You'll need Adobe to read it)
BUT if you start with it, you'll have to have your Putty ready cause it's gonna be a lot of filling and sanding...
I'm going to build the Trumpeter M1A1HA for Operation Abrams ID so I was dryfitting and stuff, but I think it's gonna give me hard times when it's Februari 14th....
#:-)
Check out the Trumpeter Tweaks list
(You'll need Adobe to read it)

AntPhillips

Joined: January 02, 2003
KitMaker: 118 posts
Armorama: 93 posts

Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 08:18 AM UTC
Hi Major Goose,
I haven't seen the Abrams kit but the Missing Links Tweak List mentioned above will give you the pointers.
I have 2 of the Challenger 2 kits, 1 is 2/3 built, they build very well out of the box, with the exception of the turret side bins, they need filling to blend in with the rest of the turret
There are supposedly several different versions, when first released there were a number of errors, these may have been corrected in subsequent releases. Trumpeter are just about to release 2 new versions including new sprues including Kosovo and Iraq modifications see below for a review :
http://pmms.webace.com.au/reviews/vehicles/trumpeter/tr00323-45.htm
As a fan of British armour all I can say is build it & then buy and build another. That way Trumpeter may well be tempted to do more British armour:-)--<
Happy
modelling.
I haven't seen the Abrams kit but the Missing Links Tweak List mentioned above will give you the pointers.
I have 2 of the Challenger 2 kits, 1 is 2/3 built, they build very well out of the box, with the exception of the turret side bins, they need filling to blend in with the rest of the turret

There are supposedly several different versions, when first released there were a number of errors, these may have been corrected in subsequent releases. Trumpeter are just about to release 2 new versions including new sprues including Kosovo and Iraq modifications see below for a review :
http://pmms.webace.com.au/reviews/vehicles/trumpeter/tr00323-45.htm
As a fan of British armour all I can say is build it & then buy and build another. That way Trumpeter may well be tempted to do more British armour:-)--<
Happy


BroAbrams

Joined: October 02, 2002
KitMaker: 1,546 posts
Armorama: 1,081 posts

Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 08:55 AM UTC
The biggest criticism there is about the trumpeter Abrams is the shape of the frontal armor on the turret. Even a quick comparison between a pic and the hull top in the kit will show what I mean. The Tweaks list shows how to correct it.
As an update to those who follow this, my article for the tweaks list is nearing completeion and you might see a little of it in the future.
Rob
As an update to those who follow this, my article for the tweaks list is nearing completeion and you might see a little of it in the future.
Rob
Tankrider

Joined: October 07, 2002
KitMaker: 1,280 posts
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 09:35 AM UTC
Tweaks list??? Ther is a new Tweaks list for the M1-series coming out??? Just kidding. Rob, I am looking forward to seeing your comments as i think that it is safe to say that you are the ultimate M1 bolt counter...
MAJ Goose,
If you are looking for a sweet Trumpter build, get the STRV 103B or C models. Great easy builds that are fun to slap together.
John

MAJ Goose,
If you are looking for a sweet Trumpter build, get the STRV 103B or C models. Great easy builds that are fun to slap together.
John

BroAbrams

Joined: October 02, 2002
KitMaker: 1,546 posts
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 10:51 AM UTC
High praise coming from one of the original authors, hehe.

turrettoad13

Joined: February 26, 2003
KitMaker: 607 posts
Armorama: 490 posts

Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 02:32 PM UTC
Well I have built 3 Trumpeter M1s ( M1A2 - M1A1 with roller and M1A1 with mine plow ) I have another M1A2 in the wings for the group build . Just go with the tweaks list and you can't go wrong . For the price these kits are hard to beat , with a little work they go a long way . The only (small ) gripe I have on the Trump. is the left front turret with a bit of plastic card and putty it is all better . I'll be doing a show and tell on how this goes once the group build starts . Good luck with your Abrams !

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