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Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 01:40 AM UTC
Wire schurzen. I heard the where used in 44/45, mayby because of steel shortage?
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 01:46 AM UTC
There were mat'l shortages all over.....So it's very likely
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 01:58 AM UTC
I think they were called Thoma Screens. Not sure however.

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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 02:00 AM UTC
Not like this before! It was quite common on russian vehicles to have engine and turret mounted "schurzen" like this ........ to protect against molotov cocktails and the like!
Looks very cool though and would make a nice, simple scratch build for something different!
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 02:02 AM UTC
I've seen that in a number of references. DML includes this in their intermediate Panzerjager IV.
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Klang, Malaysia
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 02:02 AM UTC
yes, wire was used as schurzen becuase of metal shortages, or sometimes none at all.
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 03:26 AM UTC
My DML PzKpfw IV Ausf. J comes with wire schutzen. Yes, believe it or not, I do own several DML German armor kits.
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 04:47 AM UTC

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Yes, believe it or not, I do own several DML German armor

hehehe... you just don't build them huh?! :-)
sorry this was way again...
Who says those tanks have to be all rusty?! This one looks very nice!
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 05:22 AM UTC
The Germans started using the mesh screens in Sept. 44 I believe - I have the Aber set in line for my next PzKpfw IV J late I'm gonna do.... hehe I think they look really cool :-)

Oh, by the way - I especially like the colors on that IV - very nice..... hehe


Later-
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 06:22 AM UTC

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Yes, believe it or not, I do own several DML German armor

hehehe... you just don't build them huh?! :-)
Actually, I have built a DML German armor kit before. I'm also working on an Alan PzKpfw II Ausf. C that apparently is the same kit as the DML DAK PzKpfw II C but without the tropical fittings. I was actually waiting to decide whether I really wanted to spend money on Fruil tracks for the PzKpfw IV or if I wanted to torture myself with the DML PzKpfw IV tracks. My hat's off to the guys who make the DML PzKpfw IV tracks look good on a kit.
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 08:50 AM UTC
yes i saw this before this is a very late in the war.
they had metal shortages.
as a matter of fact tamyia or acdyeme had a panzer 4 with this in the kit
it had the mess sides
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 08:57 AM UTC
These screens are as effective against shaped charge warheads (bazooka, panzerfaust, RPG), as solid metal and more efficient for material used and weight.
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 04:40 AM UTC
It is typical for PZ IV J and it's derivatives to have wire schurzen.
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 05:06 AM UTC
Eduard does a photo etched set of these I believe it is set 35201 Mesh screens for PZKF IVJ. They list schurtzen for the same vehicle as set 35341 or 35342 (Italarie or Tamiya) so you may want to check out those three sets to find what you want
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 05:40 AM UTC

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Not like this before! It was quite common on russian vehicles to have engine and turret mounted "schurzen" like this ........ to protect against molotov cocktails and the like!
Looks very cool though and would make a nice, simple scratch build for something different!

Going into Berlin the Russians welded steel bed frames with wire springs(the underwire not actuall springs) to the turret and engine deck to attempt to defeat the Panzerfaust. I will have to look for some Photos on line.
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