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Photo Etch
LittleNick
Joined: September 24, 2003
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 11:32 AM UTC
Can someone explain what PE is and why and were is it used for. Also where can i buy it
greatbrit
Joined: May 14, 2003
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2004 - 11:49 AM UTC
PE stands for photo etch,
its sheets of very thin metal, laid out sort of like a sprue of plastic, with parts usually designed to replace overscale plastic parts.
various metals can be used, brass, copper, steel etc, with brass being the most popular, and easiest to work with.
loads of companies make it, with eduard,aber, part etc being the market leaders
you can buy it from most internet model stores
the parts are flat, so usually need to be bent to the correct shape, its not the easiest thing to work with so if you want to try it, try a small easy to use set, such as accurate armour ones
cheers
joe
its sheets of very thin metal, laid out sort of like a sprue of plastic, with parts usually designed to replace overscale plastic parts.
various metals can be used, brass, copper, steel etc, with brass being the most popular, and easiest to work with.
loads of companies make it, with eduard,aber, part etc being the market leaders
you can buy it from most internet model stores
the parts are flat, so usually need to be bent to the correct shape, its not the easiest thing to work with so if you want to try it, try a small easy to use set, such as accurate armour ones
cheers
joe
keenan
Joined: October 16, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 12:21 AM UTC
Joe is absolutely right. Here is a picture of some brass PE on a Hummel I have been working on forever. It should give you idea how the stuff works.
Shaun
Here is a picture of what they look like when you buy them...
Shaun
Here is a picture of what they look like when you buy them...
SlapHead
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Joined: July 11, 2003
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 01:45 AM UTC
Take care of Advanced Model Syndrome....!!!
Full set
http://smallshopeu.com/FT_17%20Model/FT17_final_no20paint.jpg
It can drive you nuts...but thats the fun is'nt it ??
Full set
http://smallshopeu.com/FT_17%20Model/FT17_final_no20paint.jpg
It can drive you nuts...but thats the fun is'nt it ??
Tankera1
Joined: May 05, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 05:36 AM UTC
I have tried PE several times and have had no success. I have been able to use screens and such to good effect. Things such as boxes and fenders however have driven me to distraction. I get them bent and then have no idea of how to join the sides, ends, whatever in a neat fashion! Does one use solder or ACC or what?? I keep trying but it is frustrating!
Sabot
Joined: December 18, 2001
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 06:21 AM UTC
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I have tried PE several times and have had no success. I have been able to use screens and such to good effect. Things such as boxes and fenders however have driven me to distraction. I get them bent and then have no idea of how to join the sides, ends, whatever in a neat fashion! Does one use solder or ACC or what?? I keep trying but it is frustrating!
PE helps take a modeler to the next level. Many PE sets contain parts that really don't need to be replaced on the kit.. Some parts are not as good as the kit part.
When using PE, I recommend using a bending tool like Etch Mate or Hold&Fold. Only invest in one of these once you are comfortable using PE. I attach PE using super glue (CA) and always have CA accellerator handy (like zip kicker). Soldering would be tricky, all the PE on PE attaching would have to be done off model since the soldering iron heat would adversely affect the plastic model.
SlapHead
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 07:49 AM UTC
Heres how to fold a box..its an old demo but the method is the same
http://smallshopeu.com/4_inch%20Page.htm
http://smallshopeu.com/4_inch%20Page.htm
Tankera1
Joined: May 05, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 08:03 AM UTC
Thanks, I haven't given up on it yet. I appreciate the advice.
Plasticbattle
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Joined: May 14, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 09:49 AM UTC
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I have tried PE several times and have had no success. I have been able to use screens and such to good effect. Things such as boxes and fenders however have driven me to distraction. I get them bent and then have no idea of how to join the sides, ends, whatever in a neat fashion! Does one use solder or ACC or what?? I keep trying but it is frustrating!
Im in the same boat. Ive recently started with some basic PE sets, but dont see the póint in some of it. I like airwaves sets as they are so basic.... give the main things like screens and are really cheap. I have a few kits ready to start with eduard sets for them and those that have aber... i have placed aside until I get a bit more practice.... man they look scary!
MEBM
Joined: July 19, 2003
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 11:17 AM UTC
Hey, Little Nick, thanks for posting this. I, too, had no idea what "PE" was, either. Thanks for your time. 
MEBM
Joined: July 19, 2003
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 11:17 AM UTC
Hey, Little Nick, thanks for posting this. I, too, had no idea what "PE" was, either. Thanks for your time.
keenan
Joined: October 16, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 12:05 PM UTC
The Hummel in the picture is my first shot at the whole PE thing. So, I toss out another bit of advice: STUDY THE INSTRUCTIONS. I was shocked by how vague the directions were with the Eduard set I am using and how many time the symbols telling me what to do were flat out wrong. I have the kit directions and PE directions copied and marked every step in the kit directions where I need to use some PE to replace or modify a kit part. As I fold and attach the PE I mark each part off with red pen. Big pain in the rear but it has been worth it.
That said, the PE is pretty cool. I have the full smack for Tamiya's Pershing and if I every finish the Hummel I am going to tackle that .
Scared me at first but it has been a learning experience and pretty fun, too.
Shaun
That said, the PE is pretty cool. I have the full smack for Tamiya's Pershing and if I every finish the Hummel I am going to tackle that .
Scared me at first but it has been a learning experience and pretty fun, too.
Shaun
jrnelson
Joined: May 23, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 12:19 PM UTC
Keenan-
I do the same thing.. hehe I mark off the bits as I put em on the tank :-)
Otherwise I'd never be able to keep track of it all... lol
All I can say is..... wait until you see the Aber instructions... :-)
9,000 parts sketched on the back of an envelope is what it looks like.......
Later-
Jeff
I do the same thing.. hehe I mark off the bits as I put em on the tank :-)
Otherwise I'd never be able to keep track of it all... lol
All I can say is..... wait until you see the Aber instructions... :-)
9,000 parts sketched on the back of an envelope is what it looks like.......
Later-
Jeff
Pnzr-Cmdr
Joined: July 16, 2003
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 01:26 PM UTC
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All I can say is..... wait until you see the Aber instructions...
9,000 parts sketched on the back of an envelope is what it looks like.......
i hear ya jeff... i ordered about 8 aber sets for various kits.. I have 3 for my KT and the main detail set instructions are crazy.. but I love PE
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