Hi guys. About six months ago i started both AFVs and revells M88s but they have been sitting in storage for some time. I have started building them again and fancy a bit of a dio. I bougt one of the italeri shelters (it6388) as a load ...... would this work? Any other ideas or opinions you might have would be appreciated!
Thanks for your help!
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Could a M88 lift an Italeri type shelter?
Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 10:17 AM UTC
Jurgen
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 10:24 AM UTC
Vehicle hoisting capability
Spade up 40,000 LB (4 Part Line W/Lockout) 6 tons
Spade down 50,000 LB (4 Part Line) 35 tons
Boom Lift Height (MAX) At 8FT Reach: 22.5 FT
At 4FT Reach: 25 FT
says
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But I'm NO good with FT and LBS... I'm a MTRS/KG kinda guy....
Spade up 40,000 LB (4 Part Line W/Lockout) 6 tons
Spade down 50,000 LB (4 Part Line) 35 tons
Boom Lift Height (MAX) At 8FT Reach: 22.5 FT
At 4FT Reach: 25 FT
says
www.fas.org
But I'm NO good with FT and LBS... I'm a MTRS/KG kinda guy....
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 10:28 AM UTC
It could lift it with no weight problems. They would have to attach chain legs long enough to reach from the block to each corner. Forklifts are normally used to handle the shelters.
Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 01:06 PM UTC
Thanks Jurgen and Sabot. I appreciate your replies. IŽll build up the shelter and try them together first before deciding. As long as I know its possible ...... it could have happened sometime(?)!
I guess with "chain legs " it will need more height..... this could be the problem. IŽll get back wth a picture later!
Would the M88 ever lift something like this ...... a light yet bulky load and raise the spade to protect the vehicle while moving to a close location?
Were these shelters plonked direct on the ground, or were they settled on a semi-permanent base/foundation..... depending on how long they were going to be used for? Would the US army use shelters like this ...... today or desert storm eras?
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I guess with "chain legs " it will need more height..... this could be the problem. IŽll get back wth a picture later!
Would the M88 ever lift something like this ...... a light yet bulky load and raise the spade to protect the vehicle while moving to a close location?
Were these shelters plonked direct on the ground, or were they settled on a semi-permanent base/foundation..... depending on how long they were going to be used for? Would the US army use shelters like this ...... today or desert storm eras?
8)
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 02:16 PM UTC
These things are usually part of a system. This means that the prime mover, shelter and the gizmos inside all have to be operational for the system to be "up". When anyone of the components is non-operational, the system is "down" and this counts against a unit for its readiness. If the truck was down, the shelter would be transferred to another like vehicle that wasn't part of a system.
If the truck was just in for routine maintenance, the shelter would be removed based on what maintenance function needed to be done. It would stay on if the truck was just getting its oil change, but would probably be removed if the truck was being jacked up to remove a rear axle or something like that.
If an M88 was lifting this thing, the spade wouldn't be down, it would be up since the shelter isn't too heavy. The main safety issue would be the damage to the shelter if it smacked against the M88. A couple of soldiers would probably have webbing straps attached to the corners to keep the shelter from swinging into the 88.
The shelters are mobile so they are just set on the ground, not on any type of prepared surface. I've got one in my motor pool that's just set on the ground next to the hanger.
If the truck was just in for routine maintenance, the shelter would be removed based on what maintenance function needed to be done. It would stay on if the truck was just getting its oil change, but would probably be removed if the truck was being jacked up to remove a rear axle or something like that.
If an M88 was lifting this thing, the spade wouldn't be down, it would be up since the shelter isn't too heavy. The main safety issue would be the damage to the shelter if it smacked against the M88. A couple of soldiers would probably have webbing straps attached to the corners to keep the shelter from swinging into the 88.
The shelters are mobile so they are just set on the ground, not on any type of prepared surface. I've got one in my motor pool that's just set on the ground next to the hanger.
Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 02:33 PM UTC
Thanks once again Rob .... your knowledge is invaluable!
I just got a surprise. I opened the box now to find four "chain legs " included in the kit and shaded as not used. The rope part is plain but there nice fittings at each end. Its solid/straight as well which will be good when modelling it being lifted.
On the box side there is a picture of the 5 ton shelter truck M925 and these are inverted to hold the shelter to the truck. But with a litle effort I can use them for my needs!
Thanks for your help... much appreciated!
I just got a surprise. I opened the box now to find four "chain legs " included in the kit and shaded as not used. The rope part is plain but there nice fittings at each end. Its solid/straight as well which will be good when modelling it being lifted.
On the box side there is a picture of the 5 ton shelter truck M925 and these are inverted to hold the shelter to the truck. But with a litle effort I can use them for my needs!
Thanks for your help... much appreciated!
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 04:49 PM UTC
In Vietnam some units used the 88"s to lift the armor box and gutted APC shells onto the back of the five ton trucks. If the chassis broke or the truck was shot up and the armor box was in good condition, we sometimes used the M-88. If we didn't have access to one it would take two five ton recovery wreckers to lift the APC shells from one truck to place it on the new truck. The 88 could do it without even breaking a sweat.