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Problems with oils - some help please
Major_Goose
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Kikladhes, Greece / Ελλάδα
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 06:44 PM UTC
I put these cause i know some friends will run to save me !!
Two nights ago i finished my Academy M113 Vietnam for the coverup campaign. Yesterday i decided to start washing a lil bit with some ambers and siennas from thw W&N oil series, as i had read thousands of times here from other guys. The truth is that have not worked with oils again, but my mom being a painter for many years i have heard that they are friendly paints !!! i thought so .
So i prepeared a touch of wash ( i n the way i used with enamels 2-3 % paint and the rest thinner) but fir thinning purposes i used W&N Quick Dry Medium, which is supposed to be a thinner and a catalyst for quick drying. The stuff went awful. The M113 is painted in MM Acrylics which showed very good behaviour. But the oil wash stuff. at first didnot dried for many ours and then it left a gloss skin over the parts it went . I freaked out so i ve let it there to dry totaly and run for your help.
So my questions?
When we use oils for washing or for painting anything that is before primed with acrylics or enamels, with what should we thin it, or any way how is the proper way to use it ?
Is it possible on the same area to do washes with oils and after this other washes with acrylics? is there any chemical affection?
How am i supposed to correct this stupid glossy thing i now have on my nicely build M113?
Any additional suggestionswill be very useful guys. Thanks a lot
mikeli125
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 10:31 PM UTC
I'd just treat it as a normal wash, as it's oils they will take a bit longer to dry maybe even a few days (time to crack open a new kit ) once its dry a coat of flat varnish should sort it out
as for the mixture of oils the size of a pea should be enough to mix up a wash, as for mixing with other types of paint I'm not sure but as long as it's dry you should be ok
APbullet
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Utrecht, Netherlands
Joined: October 21, 2003
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 11:20 PM UTC
Yes, you have to be patience with oils. The have a very long drying time, like 2 days. If you want them for washes only use terpentine/white spirit as thinner in a rate of 30% paint 70% thinner, something like that, depends on how heavy your wash has to be.
If you want them to use as a pure color, you probably have to use several layers for an even coat (patience). And yes the dry gloss, so when dry spray a dull coat over it. Good luck, if you have patience your washes will be much more conviencing then with other paints!
Major_Goose
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Kikladhes, Greece / Ελλάδα
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 11:27 PM UTC
ok now i am relaxed guys. i did it the right way , used to enamels and acrylics after 7-10 hours that it didnt got dry i freaked. Thanks for the clarification i ll use em more relaxed now.
Something more, betewwn washes with different oils you let one get dry totally before the other?
mikeli125
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 11:57 PM UTC
why not put some no when they are still wet it will bend the colours in more evenly and give a better look also DONT DONT USE PURE TRUPENTINE I've used this in the past with washes and it's eaten into the plastic causing parts to break and fall off and turn the plastic soft
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Utrecht, Netherlands
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Posted: Monday, January 12, 2004 - 12:17 AM UTC
Haven't had any problems with pure turpetine but mayby it'[s a little different in other countries. It doesn't matter if you apply your second or third wash after one hour or two days because when the turpentine hit's the oil paint it will be liquid again. So you can apply your second or third wash very fast and as Mikeli says the paint will blend in very nice.
Major_Goose
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Kikladhes, Greece / Ελλάδα
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Posted: Monday, January 12, 2004 - 12:36 AM UTC
thanks both of you guys for helping out. i am goin back home to play with my new invention . oils !!!!!!! tell you the results !!!!
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