_GOTOBOTTOM
Armor/AFV: Modern Armor
Modern armor in general.
Hosted by Darren Baker
Meng vs Dragon vs.Bronco vs.Tamiya
Cantstopbuyingkits
Visit this Community
European Union
Joined: January 28, 2015
KitMaker: 2,099 posts
Armorama: 1,920 posts
Posted: Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 10:25 PM UTC
I've got the M4A1 profipack you mentioned in your wishlist. It's a great deal with a good PE set added in at a RRP less than the original boxing but has a few things [the barrel and headlight guards] that should have been replaced by metal but are still in plastic.
bill_c
Staff MemberCampaigns Administrator
MODEL SHIPWRIGHTS
Visit this Community
New Jersey, United States
Joined: January 09, 2008
KitMaker: 10,553 posts
Armorama: 8,109 posts
Posted: Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 10:36 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Up-date.. I did find some reviews by just doing a yahoo search and there are some excellent ones!


The best ones are right here on Armorama, Dude!

If you are looking to build Shermans, forget Dragon and find any Tasca/Asuka kits. They are AMAZING.
Alaska
Visit this Community
Maine, United States
Joined: January 22, 2015
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 112 posts
Posted: Friday, February 27, 2015 - 03:54 AM UTC
Thanks Bill! I'll check those companies out!

I looked under Meng reviews on this site but I didn't see any for the MENG 2000 self-propelled Howitzer but I'll check again!

Thanks Craig..
Gewehr43
Visit this Community
Michigan, United States
Joined: May 12, 2014
KitMaker: 105 posts
Armorama: 68 posts
Posted: Friday, February 27, 2015 - 06:45 PM UTC
Craig,

Are you familiar with http://scalemates.com ? It's an invaluable resource for information on all kinds of kits. It includes details on when a kit was tooled, what marking schemes are included, links to sales sites, and links to reviews.
Alaska
Visit this Community
Maine, United States
Joined: January 22, 2015
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 112 posts
Posted: Friday, February 27, 2015 - 09:33 PM UTC
Hey Chuck..Thanks for the link! I'll check it out.

Craig..
bill_c
Staff MemberCampaigns Administrator
MODEL SHIPWRIGHTS
Visit this Community
New Jersey, United States
Joined: January 09, 2008
KitMaker: 10,553 posts
Armorama: 8,109 posts
Posted: Saturday, February 28, 2015 - 09:20 PM UTC

Quoted Text

I looked under Meng reviews on this site but I didn't see any for the MENG 2000 self-propelled Howitzer but I'll check again!


We can't review everything, but I don't think you'll find another site that has the breadth this one does, including older kits that live on in bargain bins, at shows or on the 'Net. Call that a shameless plug for a place that has been very good to me.
Alaska
Visit this Community
Maine, United States
Joined: January 22, 2015
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 112 posts
Posted: Saturday, February 28, 2015 - 10:04 PM UTC
Thanks Bill! This is a great site for sure! I've learned a lot in the last couple of months!

Craig..
Alaska
Visit this Community
Maine, United States
Joined: January 22, 2015
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 112 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 06:08 AM UTC
Hey Bill.. I went in search of those Sherman's made by Taska/Asuka and your right they do make some fine kits! I will have to pick up 1 or 2 of those! The reviews I found were very positive and even though they are a little pricey all that had purchased them were very pleased with the quality and fit up and were worth the price!

Thanks again Bill!

Craig..
leonhzy
Visit this Community
Shanghai, China / 简体
Joined: August 12, 2013
KitMaker: 88 posts
Armorama: 87 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 11:04 AM UTC
Get bored, personal view on the kit i know.

Tamiya M1A2 - below avg tamiya quality, fitting issue, inaccurate deatil on the hull, unable to make movable suspension since the torsion bar is molded on the low hull, no anti slip layer. Go for Dragon M1A2.

The new TUSK II kit from Tamiya has fixed most of its problem but still old low hull and no anti slip layer.

Tamiya M109A6 - Italeri rebox which is not good at all, go for AFV.

Tamiya Jagdtiger - since its new tooled, better than Dragon in my opinion.

Dragon T28 - below avg Dragon quality, inaccurate hull front and gun mantlet, wrong size of the road wheel, not recommend.

Dragon Tiger P - standard Dragon quality, mixed part with dragon tiger and elefant, not as good as other smart kit.

MENG kits r usually good in both accuracy and detail, highly recommended.

Tamiya M51 - New tooled, has less detail compare to Dragon M51 but easy to build. Dragon M51 is rare on the market, lots of fitting issue and pain to build.

Dragon shermans - standard Dragon quality, better than Tamiya but Tasca/Asuka offer the best sherman family on the market.

AFV M41 - not so sure about accuracy but make sure u know what u buying because AFV has 2 different M41 in general tooling, one of them has been bought from other company.
MikeyBugs95
Visit this Community
New York, United States
Joined: May 27, 2013
KitMaker: 2,210 posts
Armorama: 1,712 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 11:50 AM UTC
Re: The AFV Club M41 Walker Bulldog. I've built it before and I really liked. Next chance I get I'm buying another one. People do say that the AFV Club is the same as the Skybow kit but I'm not sure of that. I can't comment on the accuracy either. All I can say is that it is a very good kit with fine details. The 2 kits are of a German (Bundeswehre) tank and a M41a3.
Alaska
Visit this Community
Maine, United States
Joined: January 22, 2015
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 112 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 07:56 PM UTC
Thanks for the posts Leon & Micheal Goldberg! So nice to hear what other modelers have to say and share their experiences with different model companies!

Craig..
Bravo1102
Visit this Community
New Jersey, United States
Joined: December 08, 2003
KitMaker: 2,864 posts
Armorama: 2,497 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 08:19 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Re: The AFV Club M41 Walker Bulldog. I've built it before and I really liked. Next chance I get I'm buying another one. People do say that the AFV Club is the same as the Skybow kit but I'm not sure of that. I can't comment on the accuracy either. All I can say is that it is a very good kit with fine details. The 2 kits are of a German (Bundeswehre) tank and a M41a3.




I've built both AFV-Club M41's. The M41A3 is the all original AFV-Club kit. The M41G (NATO) is an adaptation of the Skybow kit with earlier production style fenders, auxiliary muffler and tool storage.

Both are great kits, build up nice and slightly different variants. There was a JSGDF issue of the kit that was the Skybow kit unchanged?
M4A1Sherman
Visit this Community
New York, United States
Joined: May 02, 2013
KitMaker: 4,403 posts
Armorama: 4,078 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 09:13 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Ok Pete I will but I ended up with more than 6 sorry I couldn't help myself..lol.

Tamiya: M1A2 Abrams 120mm Gun Battle Tank 1/35

Tamiya: US M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer 1/35

Tamiya: German Jagtiger (early) ABER PE Parts 1/35

Trumpeter: Russian TOS-1A 24 Barrel MRL 1/35

Trumpeter: T35/85 Russian Tank Model 1944 1/16

Bronco: 6x6 MPCV w/Slat Armor 1/35

Dragon: T-28 Super Heavy Tank - Smart Kit 1/35

Dragon: Panzerkampfwagon V1(p) w/Zimmerit 1/35

Meng: AMX-30B2 French MBT 1/35

Meng: T90A Russian MBT 1/35

Meng: Panzerhaubitze 2000 Self-Propelled Howitzer 1/35

Meng: Russian Terminator Fire Support Combat Vehicle 1/35

Meng: Leopard 1 A3/A4 German MBT 1/35

Meng: Merkava MK.3 BAZ Israeli MBT w/Nochri Dalet 1/35

Meng: Merkava MK 111D (early) Israeli MBT 1/35

Meng: M2A3 Bradley US Infantry Fighting Vehicle w/Busk 111

Meng: M3A3 Bradley with Busk 111 1/35

Meng: Bradley Interior Set 1/35

Meng: A39 Tortoise British Heavy Assault Tank 1/35

Meng: AMX-30B French MBT 1/35

This is just my SHORT LIST LOL!!!! But I figured if a put up a variety some of you guy's might have built 1 or 2 of these presented here?

Thanks to all that take a look at this list and can comment!!

Craig..



Hi, Craig! I'm VERY DIVERSE in my modelling interests, and I've been at it since I was 5 years old- I just turned 62 in January, so I think that I just might know a thing or two...

I'll agree to about 95% of what the other guys have been helping you out with in this thread. Advice- NEVER HESITATE in posting any questions that you may have regarding armor or soft-skinned vehicles. A lot of the guys on this site are very well informed, covering armor and soft-skins in a BIG WAY. We also have many fellow modellers that are new to this niche of model-building, so don't feel alone.

I noticed that you listed the TAMIYA M1A2. For less money, you can buy a SUPERIOR DRAGON M1A2 SEP, kit #3536, and their VERY LATEST M1A2 SEP Ver. 2, #3556- For an M1A1 AIM, check out DRAGON's kit #3535... These 3 M1 Abrams kits are by far and away THE BEST M1 Abrams kits that money can buy. Many of my fellow modellers on this site will agree with me on this. Not to harp on TAMIYA, but even their latest M1s just use the same old parts that they introduced the in the late 1990s, so in many cases DRAGON gets the nod, if you want the best. There's a current comparison-build thread going on this site covering the relative merits of BOTH the TAMIYA M1A2, and DRAGON's M1A2 that I think you might really be interested to follow. This comparo-build, I think, will set you straight on which 1/35 Abrams kit you might want to buy.

I've built both the TAMIYA and DRAGON Abrams kits, and DRAGON WINS, hands down...

If you're interested in DRAGON's US WWII T-28, be CAREFUL! This kit is fraught with errors and poor parts fit. There are several REALLY GREAT build-articles of the DRAGON T-28 that you can find on this site, so I'd suggest giving them a full read before you go out and buy this one. Ditto for some of DRAGON's "BLACK LABEL" line of kits, specifically their first M103A1, first M-48A3, and first M6A1. Mostly SOME inaccuracies and fit problems for those 3. Their SECOND M103, SECOND M48 and up-coming THIRD M48 in this series, as I understand it, are BETTER. There are a new BLACK LABEL British Saladin review and subsequent build-article on this site RIGHT NOW, where you can also get some idea of how things by DRAGON/BLACK LABEL go. I personally haven't read the Saladin articles yet, so I can't comment on this particular kit.

If you like WWII German stuff, DRAGON IS your best bet, although there are some pretty darn good kits out there by HOBBY BOSS, TRUMPETER, AMUSING HOBBY, BRONCO, and yes, TAMIYA. Personally, I'm into 1/35 US/ALLIED WWII and post-war to present day armor and soft-skins, which in the last 2 years or so, is FINALLY getting more attention than it used to. I've backed away from all that WWII German stuff, trying to keep it down to just the major types. Cosequently, I've sold off A LOT of my WWII German stuff. DON'T ask me how many M4-series tanks alone, that I have!!!

My ultimate goal is to portray the evolution of US soft-skinned vehicles and armor from the 1920s to the present...

I'm also VERY into HO "High-End" brass, hybrid brass/plastic and a certain "select few" plastic and/or brass/die-cast Steam-Era locomotives and trains, 1/48 aircraft in a BIG way. I also love 1/24-1/25 Classic Cars from post-WWI to the 1960s, both in plastic kits and "high-end" die-cast, which I sometimes kit-bash into something that just isn't available. I build and paint 1/35-120mm figurines, and also the occasional 1/350 ship... I love to detail my stuff with extra aftermarket Photo-Etch and resin products, and I enjoy a challenge with "correction' updates in resin and PE, along with "full-resin" kits... Enjoy the new niche of your hobby-ing...

PS- AFV CLUB also make some REALLY GREAT kits!!! Try their 1/35 M5A1 Light Tank Stuart "early" and "late" kits, their "WC-series Dodge trucks, LVT-series tracked landing craft, their M109 and brand-new M60A1...
Alaska
Visit this Community
Maine, United States
Joined: January 22, 2015
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 112 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 09:17 PM UTC
Thanks Stephen.. I am checking out the AFV-Club they have some interesting kits!

The more I look into the Tasca/Asuka Sherman line of M4's that Bill mentioned above the more impressed I am with their offerings! I've found some really,really good reviews with wonderful pic's and step by step builds and in the box reviews JUST GREAT!!

My interests are huge and varied is the only way I know how to put it from WWII through Modern Armor from all nations around the globe. Their is so much to choose from out there! It is truly a wonderful time we live in for us modelers!

Craig..
M4A1Sherman
Visit this Community
New York, United States
Joined: May 02, 2013
KitMaker: 4,403 posts
Armorama: 4,078 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 09:38 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Thanks Stephen.. I am checking out the AFV-Club they have some interesting kits!

The more I look into the Tasca/Asuka Sherman line of M4's that Bill mentioned above the more impressed I am with their offerings! I've found some really,really good reviews with wonderful pic's and step by step builds and in the box reviews JUST GREAT!!

My interests are huge and varied is the only way I know how to put it from WWII through Modern Armor from all nations around the globe. Their is so much to choose from out there! It is truly a wonderful time we live in for us modelers!

Craig..



I have NO problems building DARGON's M4-series kits. The M4A1 Direct-Vision and their M4 "Normandy" kits are decidedly better than their older M4 kits. But then, I've got LOADS of experience, which I put to good use.

Best advice as far as M4s go: ASUKA/TASCA's are the best way to fly...

BTW- EDUARD's 1/35 M4A1 and TAMIYA's M4A3E8 are re-boxed ASUKA/TASCA kits, so you can't go wrong with them. Watch it, though, you can still get the original ASUKA/TASCA kits for less money, except in the case of the EDUARD "Profi-Pack" M4A1, which will give you some "extras" that you won't have to buy from aftermarket sources...
M4A1Sherman
Visit this Community
New York, United States
Joined: May 02, 2013
KitMaker: 4,403 posts
Armorama: 4,078 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 09:48 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Thanks Stephen.. I am checking out the AFV-Club they have some interesting kits!

The more I look into the Tasca/Asuka Sherman line of M4's that Bill mentioned above the more impressed I am with their offerings! I've found some really,really good reviews with wonderful pic's and step by step builds and in the box reviews JUST GREAT!!

My interests are huge and varied is the only way I know how to put it from WWII through Modern Armor from all nations around the globe. Their is so much to choose from out there! It is truly a wonderful time we live in for us modelers!

Craig..



Hi, Craig! What were/are you building besides your 1/35 stuff? I jump around between my various projects as I'm waiting for things to dry, or when I'm waiting for "extras" in the mail...
Alaska
Visit this Community
Maine, United States
Joined: January 22, 2015
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 112 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 11:37 PM UTC
Well Dennis I'm 52 and have been modeling all my life! In all those years though I just never ventured into the AFV genre. I spent a good deal of my time when my boy's were younger building 1/4 and 1/3 scale RC airplanes but in the last say 15 years I've been pursuing my passion for building Ships of the Line or Man of War from the period of 1700's to the 1850's as some were called. These are wooden ships encompassing 1-5 years per build, I simply love building these ships because it is what I consider to be the pinnacle of (MY)modeling skills and abilities! It is very challenging and it takes a wide skill set to be successful!

It also takes a pretty large shop + equipment to pursue this ship building hobby and unfortunately I don't have that shop anymore but that is something I'm working on remedying in the near future, So because of my limited space that I now find myself in I've decided to jump into building Armored vehicles and weathering and dioramas. I'm also in pursuit of learning how to paint figures,military but other subjects as well.

So thats where I'm at for the moment and totally jacked up to dive into this field of modeling. It is also going to force this old man into learning how to use an Airbrush which I've never needed in my other pursuits! Lucky ME! Can't wait!!

Craig..
M4A1Sherman
Visit this Community
New York, United States
Joined: May 02, 2013
KitMaker: 4,403 posts
Armorama: 4,078 posts
Posted: Monday, March 02, 2015 - 04:23 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Well Dennis I'm 52 and have been modeling all my life! In all those years though I just never ventured into the AFV genre. I spent a good deal of my time when my boy's were younger building 1/4 and 1/3 scale RC airplanes but in the last say 15 years I've been pursuing my passion for building Ships of the Line or Man of War from the period of 1700's to the 1850's as some were called. These are wooden ships encompassing 1-5 years per build, I simply love building these ships because it is what I consider to be the pinnacle of (MY)modeling skills and abilities! It is very challenging and it takes a wide skill set to be successful!

It also takes a pretty large shop + equipment to pursue this ship building hobby and unfortunately I don't have that shop anymore but that is something I'm working on remedying in the near future, So because of my limited space that I now find myself in I've decided to jump into building Armored vehicles and weathering and dioramas. I'm also in pursuit of learning how to paint figures,military but other subjects as well.

So thats where I'm at for the moment and totally jacked up to dive into this field of modeling. It is also going to force this old man into learning how to use an Airbrush which I've never needed in my other pursuits! Lucky ME! Can't wait!!

Craig..



Hi, Craig! Thanks for answering! Yeah, the wooden ship models of the 13th to 20th Centuries are real tests of patience, and wood-working skills. I've often wondered how I'd do with one of those..? My disadvantage is that I'm REEEALLY short for space, so I don't want to get involved in a niche where 2 or 3 of those ships (including glass cases) would take up my whole living room. What with all of my different interests, I've got way more than I'll ever have time for before I kick the bucket.

Since you're becoming an armor and soft-skin fan, I've got A LOT of doubles and triples that I want to sell, mostly German WWII. As I mentioned before, I'm mostly into WWII US/ALLIED and modern-day stuff, HO "High-end" Steam Era, 1/48 Aircraft, 1/24, 1/25 Classic Cars, and 1/35-120mm figurines... If you're interested, let me know what you might want, and I'll be glad to check my inventory for you... No, I'm NOT a hobby shop!!!

PS- If you want to learn how to paint figurines, check out OSPREY's "BILL HORAN's MILITARY MODELLING MASTERCLASS" from Windrow & Greene. It's the GREATEST, IMO...
Alaska
Visit this Community
Maine, United States
Joined: January 22, 2015
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 112 posts
Posted: Monday, March 02, 2015 - 08:33 PM UTC
Hey ya Dennis! Thanks for such a detailed response on kits of interest! I'll check out the kits your suggesting. I appreciate your time and effort in helping me out as I do all others that post to my questions.

Your right about needing space for pursuing the wooden ship genre. I miss my shop!!! But I don't miss my ex-wife!! lol..

As far as my interest in what you might want to sell it's there. Do you have any of the kits I posted or a better version by another company?

I am interested in WWII models and would like to build a few but I have to admit I'm really interested in Modern Armor 1980's ___present.

I like the WWII stuff a lot though because of the Diorama potential and history involved. There is so much available from this era! I'm like a kid in a candy store and just to new to this to hone in on anyone area/era.

Only time will tell..lol..
jd_curran
Visit this Community
Ontario, Canada
Joined: August 16, 2005
KitMaker: 19 posts
Armorama: 18 posts
Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 01:56 AM UTC
Here's my personal opinion:

Meng- awesome. Buy any of their stuff with confidence. The only kit of theirs that left me unhappy was their FT-17.

Dragon- avoid the black label releases and their older stuff. New kits are reasonably accurate and fit well with great detail.

Bronco- hits and misses. They've gotten a lot better over the years.

Tamiya- oversimplified and overpriced. It boggles my mind that the same company who can produce a 1/32 series of aircraft (the spit, corsair, and mustang especially) of such unbelievable quality can turn around, use 1990's levels of molded on detail, throw some PE screens and a metal barrel in the box, and then charge $150 bucks for a tank.

Anyway that's my 2 cents fwiw
OldWarloke
Visit this Community
United States
Joined: October 14, 2012
KitMaker: 2,663 posts
Armorama: 2,649 posts
Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 05:03 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Thanks Bill! I'll check those companies out!

I looked under Meng reviews on this site but I didn't see any for the MENG 2000 self-propelled Howitzer but I'll check again!

Thanks Craig..


If you are looking for info. on the Meng 2000 kit, I did a step by step build. It's in the artillery section of the Forems here. It's quite a nice kit to build.
Donald
M4A1Sherman
Visit this Community
New York, United States
Joined: May 02, 2013
KitMaker: 4,403 posts
Armorama: 4,078 posts
Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 05:37 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hey Gerald.. thats good to know!! I do like the looks of some of the smart kits like Dragon: Sherman 111 DV early production smart kit 1/35. I mentioned the Dragon: T-28 Super Heavy Tank Smart-Kit but Jasper commented that I might be better off looking at there Panthers because of accuracy issues!

I'm not to impressed with what I see being offered in WWII US armor out their, I put up a few that I've found but most seem to be lacking in quality or maybe I'm just finding out that the Patton M4 like tanks are just boring subjects to begin with, I don't know I have to look around some more.

Craig..



Hey, Craig! You want to be careful with those DRAGON "SMART" kits! Some of them aren't so "SMART"!!!
Alaska
Visit this Community
Maine, United States
Joined: January 22, 2015
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 112 posts
Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 02:04 AM UTC
Dennis thanks for the heads up on those smart kits! That is not what I am looking for so thanks!

Donald thanks for the build you have posted under artillery on the Meng 2000 portable howitzer on this site! Just read through the first page and wow great info and detail on your build! Saved your article to my PC so that when I get my kit I can follow your build for guidance and help! Awesome!

Thanks again to all who post on my new endeavor into AFV modeling!

Craig..

 _GOTOTOP