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ICM: T-34 Update (w/ updated photos)
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2015 - 10:15 PM UTC


An update in from ICM has some more detailed images of the upcoming T-34/76.

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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2015 - 03:52 PM UTC
Looks good. But In my country, the price of this kit would set almost equal to the price of Dragon T-34/76 smart kit!!!
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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2015 - 03:56 PM UTC
Though I'll probably wait for an in-box review before buying, it still doesn't look that bad.
Impressions form the new images:
Tracks actually look pretty good for vinyl - I see they have hollows molded in under the guide teeth, and the molding itself looks pretty sharp.
Looks like a couple of slightly different variants could be possible - roadwheel mix and alternate engine louvers (image 9) could indicate that.
Casting texture on the turret/mantlet seems acceptable too.
I'm not certain, but it looks like there may be a little bit of internal detail inside the driver's area as well. Saw what could be seat backs on image 9.
The headlight lens looks like it might not be clear (left side of sprue w/ the headlight, image 8 I think, halfway down), but that's nothing that an MV lens can't fix.
If the price is good, it'll probably sell OK.
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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2015 - 09:58 PM UTC
I see so many problems with this thing that I can only say I'll most likely pass unless I can pick it up for under $25. Lots of bad or incredibly wrong detail. Shouldn't these guys have been able to do better? Very disappointing.
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 01:36 AM UTC

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I see so many problems with this thing that I can only say I'll most likely pass unless I can pick it up for under $25. Lots of bad or incredibly wrong detail. Shouldn't these guys have been able to do better? Very disappointing.



Mark, as an admitted T-34 fanatic, I've found that your comments about the magnitude of kit problems usually need some calibration for others to use them. (That's not a knock on you, BTW.) Would you do us a favor and give us some examples, say, the five most egregious that you see here? If we can see what the worst of the worst are (from your view), we can do better making our own judgements.

For my own needs, I'd like to make an iconic Kursk T-34-76 with hex turret. Which is the better starting point in your opinion, this kit or the DML 6424?



Thx,
KL
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 03:20 AM UTC
KurtLaughlin- go with the Dragon kit.
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 04:24 AM UTC
Kurt, there is a most interesting discussion about this ICM kit in the T-34 group on FaceBook.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 04:36 AM UTC

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Kurt, there is a most interesting discussion about this ICM kit in the T-34 group on FaceBook.




I've heard that, but do you have a link or whatever FB uses?

KL
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 04:41 AM UTC
I'll send you a PDF (assuming you're not on FB).

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 05:10 AM UTC
Thanks.

I am, but a search didn't find anything that looked like a model group.

KL
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 05:16 AM UTC
https://www.facebook.com/groups/t34interestgroup/?fref=ts


Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 05:46 AM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2015 - 06:59 AM UTC
Yes you won't go far without an account...


Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 12:59 AM UTC

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Mark, as an admitted T-34 fanatic, I've found that your comments about the magnitude of kit problems usually need some calibration for others to use them. (That's not a knock on you, BTW.) Would you do us a favor and give us some examples, say, the five most egregious that you see here? If we can see what the worst of the worst are (from your view), we can do better making our own judgements.

For my own needs, I'd like to make an iconic Kursk T-34-76 with hex turret. Which is the better starting point in your opinion, this kit or the DML 6424?



Thx,
KL

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I unfortunately do tend to presuppose a certain level of understanding of the tank and all its bits and pieces.
Ideally, I should use more photos and drawings to illustrate the points, then that moves into the "effort" side of things.
But also knowing that most folks actually know dip about it I try to make sure I always invite questions.

OK, as far the ICM kit worst failures: The main gun blisters (the "cheeks" on either side of the main gun) are way off and only vaguely similar in shape to the real thing.
The engine deck covers aren't even in the ballpark, a cross between earlier and later variations (but representing neither very well) and the intake grills are badly represented.
The glacis MG blister looks misshapen and maybe slightly small (to me) and the five bolt heads around that ring on the face of the blister look like little rivets. On some earlier tanks these are "bullet proof" conical head hex-bolts, regular flat headed hex bolts, or on later tank flush fitting slotted head "screws".
The wheels, or more accurately the tires on the wheels, are not well represented. The perforations and slots are much too big.
Most of the molded in detail seems more than a little sloppy. There are details (such as the 4 suspension tower covers on the turret ring plate) that are represented as being "proud" of (above) their surroundings when they should be flush.
Though not really a problem of "detail" the way the upper and lower hulls are assembles (with the track guards attached to the lower) is just a really bad idea. There will be a lot of tedious filling and sanding needed if you don't just choose to lop them off and fill the resulting gap with stock.
Overall, I personally get a "toyish" feeling from this one.
Who knows? Maybe when I have one in my hands I'll have some nice things to say about it but I kind'a doubt it.

The DML kit is by far the better choice even if it does have its own, though generally much smaller, problems.
(The two most readily noticeable to a fanatic are the early style engine deck covers [theoretically possible but unlikely for a UTZ tank] and the fact that the driver's hatch is about .80" too far to the right [fixable with a razor saw and some plastic stock].
I have more than a few photos of this if you want to email me directly.)

Mark
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 03:06 AM UTC
Thanks.

When I get to making that T-34 I'll look you up.

KL
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 03:21 PM UTC

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KurtLaughlin- go with the Dragon kit.



I'll go along with that- At least DRAGON gets most of the details, dimensions and shapes of things right most of the time, especially when it comes to their T-34s, Japanese and German kits. Wish I could say that about some of their US/British/Commonwealth kits, especially their BLACK LABEL offerings...

If only DRAGON had put their "A" teams to work on their M4-series tanks, their Jeeps and their US Half-Tracks, the modelling world would be a better place. Good thing we at least have ASUKA/TASCA producing their Sherman kits...
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