A second announcement for a big Russian tank was made today, this time from Trumpeter, but they are offering it in two variants.
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Trumpeter: T10: Early or Late
SgtRam
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 12:43 AM UTC
A second announcement for a big Russian tank was made today, this time from Trumpeter, but they are offering it in two variants.
Read the Full News Story
If you have comments or questions please post them here.
Thanks!
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 01:01 AM UTC
Maybe there is a reason to get one (the early T-10) of Trumpeters anyway ....
BootsDMS
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 01:52 AM UTC
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A second announcement for a big Russian tank was made today, this time from Trumpeter, but they are offering it in two variants.
Read the Full News Story
If you have comments or questions please post them here.
Thanks!
Well done Trumpeter - truly we live in good modelling times!
Not too sure though about T10 being exported to Syria or Egypt. As I understand it T10 was only ever deployed by the Soviets; I know Egypt had the JS3 though.
In any case, time to rejoice (and save up!)
warhog
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 02:10 AM UTC
Can you please share info where the t-10 was exported to Syria and Egypt? This would be news to a bunch of us as I have been under the impression that this vehicle was never exported. 
SgtRam
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 02:18 AM UTC
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Can you please share info where the t-10 was exported to Syria and Egypt? This would be news to a bunch of us as I have been under the impression that this vehicle was never exported.
It was stated on wikipedia, military factory, and many other sites. It was also used in Vietnam with the NVA and captured and used by the IDF.
warhog
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 02:23 AM UTC
Pretty sure someone is confusing the is-3 with the t-10. Maybe Mr Sewell or Zaloga can shed some light? Personally I take any info from Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
SgtRam
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 02:30 AM UTC
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Pretty sure someone is confusing the is-3 with the t-10. Maybe Mr Sewell or Zaloga can shed some light? Personally I take any info from Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
It was on more than that site. But thanks for your vote of confidence in my research.
warhog
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 02:39 AM UTC
Your welcome
WildBill1941
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 02:39 AM UTC
Would be nice to see an evidence, that T-10 was ever exported. I could not find any photo, or IDF report knocking out a T-10. IDF reported knocking out dozens of IS-3 tough.
18Bravo
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 02:46 AM UTC
Just because one site erroneously says they were used, doesn't mean they were. The fact that more that one site says so means little, as they often just cut and paste onto their own site, with no credit to the source. One of our own here is famous for that.
I agree that photos should exist, but they don't. Not properly labeled ones at any rate. I've seen an Egyptian IS-3 called a T-10.
"Research" skills still depend upon someone else's more often than not.
Even the big names get it wrong sometimes. Not to knock him, but just as an example, Steve Zaloga talked about Berlin Brigade Centurions in one of his books, complete with color plate. One problem: No such animal ever existed.
I agree that photos should exist, but they don't. Not properly labeled ones at any rate. I've seen an Egyptian IS-3 called a T-10.
"Research" skills still depend upon someone else's more often than not.
Even the big names get it wrong sometimes. Not to knock him, but just as an example, Steve Zaloga talked about Berlin Brigade Centurions in one of his books, complete with color plate. One problem: No such animal ever existed.
warhog
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 02:53 AM UTC
My original post wasn't in anyway try to belittle the poster. If taken that way I do apologize.
18Bravo
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 03:39 AM UTC
I don't think anyone thinks so. And neither was it my intention either. I only know of one tool who intentionally does that on a regular basis, but he's been banned from the site. Erased! Trotsky-ized! Of course he still visits.
Muzzelblast
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 03:51 AM UTC
This is very exciting news,and Meng as well is issuing a T-10M !. However these tanks were never ever exported. The T-10 was a renamed IS-8,NOT an IS,JSIII . The family resemblance is strong yes,and Tamiya muddied the waters calling their old 1968 kit a JSIII/ T-10. Except for roadwheels on IS IIIM ,no parts are shared by either vehicular family. And yes,there is a lot of misinformation on many a website ,and and many miss-captions.
BootsDMS
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 04:14 AM UTC
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Just because one site erroneously says they were used, doesn't mean they were. The fact that more that one site says so means little, as they often just cut and paste onto their own site, with no credit to the source. One of our own here is famous for that.
I agree that photos should exist, but they don't. Not properly labeled ones at any rate. I've seen an Egyptian IS-3 called a T-10.
"Research" skills still depend upon someone else's more often than not.
Even the big names get it wrong sometimes. Not to knock him, but just as an example, Steve Zaloga talked about Berlin Brigade Centurions in one of his books, complete with color plate. One problem: No such animal ever existed.
Robert,
Woefully off topic here - and apologies if I've misunderstood your post - but a squadron of British armour was indeed stationed in Berlin (British Zone) throughout the Cold War. These were Centurions followed by Chieftains. The parent regiment was stationed in British Army of the Rhine with a squadron assigned to Berlin and rotated as and when units changed over in West Germany. Despite the forecast of a short-life should things ever hot up, Berlin was a much coveted posting for British soldiers.
Re the Centurions: There was some coverage of these back in Oct 1961 when there was a flare up in Berlin, most noticeably at Checkpoint Charlie where some very well known pictures of M48s facing off T54s were published at the time. In the British Zone (and Press) the Berlin Brigade Squadron also deployed with similar coverage. These tanks are also described in the ancient Armour Profile Publication on the Centurion, and also the Osprey Vanguard book on same.
I hope this clarifies as to the existence of such vehicles.
Regards,
Brian
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 04:26 AM UTC
Brian,
Centurions certainly existed in Berlin. I've built them in three different scales.
But they were not Berlin Brigade Centurions. The Berlin Brigade monicker belongs solely to the American forces there. This is a great example of how one small mistake in verbiage changes the whole organizational chart of the Allied Forces, Berlin. And it perpetuates itself decades after the book was written. While it may seem an inconsequential error, I' m sure it is not to our British cousins who served there. I guess it would be akin to calling any pilot who flew bomber escort in a P-51 a Tuskegee Airman. Imagine the furor THAT could create....
Centurions certainly existed in Berlin. I've built them in three different scales.
But they were not Berlin Brigade Centurions. The Berlin Brigade monicker belongs solely to the American forces there. This is a great example of how one small mistake in verbiage changes the whole organizational chart of the Allied Forces, Berlin. And it perpetuates itself decades after the book was written. While it may seem an inconsequential error, I' m sure it is not to our British cousins who served there. I guess it would be akin to calling any pilot who flew bomber escort in a P-51 a Tuskegee Airman. Imagine the furor THAT could create....
BootsDMS
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 04:29 AM UTC
Robert,
BootsDMS
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 04:35 AM UTC
Robert - sorry clearly finger trouble - it's late here! Now I see where you're coming from. In military vernacular we (Brits) would refer to our Brigade in shorthand as "Berlin Brigade"; of course, it was technically the Berlin Infantry Brigade. Clearly I was close to teaching you to suck eggs so apologies for the unnecessary lecture and glad to hear you've built some Centurions! Regards
Scouteyes
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 04:36 AM UTC
This is great news. I've wanted to see a kit of this charismatic heavy tank for decades. The T-10 was used in the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia, and there is a fair amount of photo evidence showing them in Prague with the White Stripe invasion markings.
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 04:42 AM UTC
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Robert - sorry clearly finger trouble - it's late here! Now I see where you're coming from. In military vernacular we (Brits) would refer to our Brigade in shorthand as "Berlin Brigade"; of course, it was technically the Berlin Infantry Brigade. Clearly I was close to teaching you to suck eggs so apologies for the unnecessary lecture and glad to hear you've built some Centurions! Regards
No worries. I just had one of your compatriots last week school me on the proper way to wear a beret. Funny thing is, mine was damn near older than he was. I'll post a pic when I get back home.
BootsDMS
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 04:51 AM UTC
Back on topic: I too am really pleased that this beast is now, or will be, available in plastic. Without sounding too much the old soldier I recall these still featured on British Army recognition charts in 1969 and they were organised in independent tank regiments (I think). I look forward to these gracing the display tables in due course. Typically, I have (an unbuilt) Navigator resin kit in my possession; whilst unbuilt, it is remarkable in that it is still quite a low slung, powerful looking beast, and although You Tube footage may be sometimes unreliable, a quick trawl has come up with some footage showing that T10 could move nimbly enough. Remarkable when all we could devise to counter it was the ponderous Conqueror and the less than agile (until later marks) Chieftain. Good to have both "cause and effect" as it were, coming our way in the modelling world.
pgb3476
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 07:16 PM UTC
Not exported Syria or Egypt. Egypt did have some IS-III tho.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 - 06:44 AM UTC
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