Hi all,
I saw two guns in a museum which are obviously mis-labelled as German Pak 52 85mm.





The first one looks like a Soviet D48 but the muzzle brake is not the pepper pot like muzzle brake usually seen.

The second one still is a mystery with a muzzle really looking German.

TIA for your help.
Olivier

The second one looks like a mashup!

The Carriage & Gun Shields look 'somewhat like' the British 6pdr.
The wheels look American?

The muzzle brake looks German, & needs turning by 90 degrees, as any recoil gasses would affect vertical alignment & kick up a shed load of dust at least!

Spades & Barrel, don't know, but no doubt Gino will give a definitive answer

Salut Olivier

I guess the first one is a 85 mm D-44 divisional gun with a serious recoil problem :



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/85_mm_divisional_gun_D-44

H.P.

Oliver,

Thanks for these! Neat museum - where is it?

Indeed Frenchy,
the recoil jacks are clearly visible on another picture.

Thanks
Olivier

These are strange. I was thinking possibly BS-3 100mm Divisional Guns, but they are a little different from those as well.



They may be a mix-match of guns and cradles/chassis, but I believe they are all Russian. The muzzle breaks look Russian to me.

Is the museum in Austria?

Gino,
Here are all the pictures I have of this gun.





Tony,
the museum is in Alsace, France close to the French-German border.

The second gun is this one btw:
http://www.rwd-mb3.de/pages/52.htm

Thanks a lot Tony

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