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Modern Russian Packs ?
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2015 - 06:20 PM UTC
Hi all,
We all see the packs etc for US and others western forces but it strikes me I only ever see Russian forces in chest webbing etc.
Does modern Russian forces use a large pack and if so what does it look like? Google only seems to throw up the webbing or chest webbing, nothing larger. I,m wondering for some stowage on BTR etc, so I guess the follow on question is if they do, where can you get in 1/35
Thanks in advance
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2015 - 06:30 PM UTC
Asked a similar q myself on another forum a week or so ago. It seems there's very little/nothing out there. I'm thinking of using generic items on my BTR.
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2015 - 08:15 PM UTC
I saw a set of resin ones recently but I can't remember for the life of me who made them. Might be backlog at a guess.

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Posted: Friday, April 10, 2015 - 04:13 AM UTC
Think I saw that, if I recall you were looking at boxes and stowage.
The thing that bothers me is you don't see any photos of Russian troops on exercise or operations with packs, its almost like they don't hump anything, but that seems inconceivable
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Posted: Friday, April 10, 2015 - 04:54 AM UTC
Had some success, via eBay of all places, new equipment is called 'ratnik' see some photos of that.
Its post 2013
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Posted: Friday, April 17, 2015 - 07:04 PM UTC
Found this. They look like som MVD/FSB Spetsnaz, but I can't verify date or place :/

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Posted: Saturday, April 18, 2015 - 05:08 AM UTC
Thanks, nice photo.
As you say probably fib etc and probably in home environment.

It just struck me if on operations, what do they live out of, duffel bags, echelon bags, kit bags etc
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 12:33 AM UTC

Russian soldiers carry backpacks, as part of the 6sh112 molle vest, but these are small and probably stored inside the BTR/BMP, but I haven't seen any pics of this.
If that's what you are looking for?

As a little side note, and I'm not claiming to be an expert here, Soviet doctrine had supply trucks following in the second or third echelon, as far as I know, where the majority of supplies were stored. Only ammunition and explosives (grenades, RPG, Strela, etc) was stored inside the BTR/BMP, but this was in Soviet times. I'm not 100% sure though.
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 06:41 PM UTC
That's great, many thanks.
Just need someone to release some now.
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2015 - 11:16 PM UTC
I was hoping Blackdog would- they have released American, British, Israeli and German packs and gear.
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2015 - 02:57 AM UTC
That would be ideal, given release of soviet and Russian models these days.
Wonder what the large square part of pack is, looks like an entrenching tool cover, but with handle going up the back.

Sort of digital cam, so must be relatively modern.
Wonder what soviet era gear equivalent was?

Still so much is inknown about how they operate, compared to the wealth of experience out there with NATO forces.

Interesting
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2015 - 03:39 PM UTC
Soviet era equipment was, for the most part, very simple. Two configurations- a belt and Y straps with an AK Mag bag over one hip, entrenching tool, canteen, gas mask and bayonet around the belt on the hips. A cloak/poncho could also be tied around the base of the Y. The other configuration was the AK Chest rig- three mags at the front and two smaller pouches on each side of those for grenades etc. Then the usual belt carrying the usual items plus gas mask bag. Sometimes you would also see troops wearing no Y straps with just the AK Mag bag on the hip and the usual equipment on the belt. RPG and specialist troops had changes to these layouts obviously. There was a standard issue rucksack- not very big though with a flap opening top, two side pockets and one at the front- it was canvas with leather straps.

As others have mentioned here- issues of Soviet doctrine essentially meant that troops would, ideally, not spend too much time away from their BMPs/BTRs and transport so lugging large loads was not factored into things as much as it could have/should have been. Experiences in Afghanistan showed up the problems with this doctrine and, of course, problems with the equipment that went along with it.

All in all there was not a great deal of change to these load-outs in Soviet times save for the sizing of magazine pouches between AK-47s and 74s. Major change only began late in the 80s and the new configurations were seen in the first Chechen War.

A couple of good books showing Soviet era equipment and uniforms are Osprey Publishing Elite 12 Inside The Soviet Army Today by Steve Zaloga (and excellent color plates by Ron Volstad) and Soviet Uniforms & Militaria 1917-1991 by Laszlo Bekesi and published by The Crowood Press.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 - 02:53 AM UTC
Thanks for the book references and the detailed response.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 - 01:50 PM UTC

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That would be ideal, given release of soviet and Russian models these days.
Wonder what the large square part of pack is, looks like an entrenching tool cover, but with handle going up the back.

Sort of digital cam, so must be relatively modern.
Wonder what soviet era gear equivalent was?

Still so much is inknown about how they operate, compared to the wealth of experience out there with NATO forces.

Interesting



6sh112 is supposed to be standard loadout, with interchangable pouches for AK, SVD and PKM. (The one in the pic I posted is the AK configuration). The square part is for an entrenching tool
The camo is called EMR (ru), cifra (ru) or digital flora (eng).

As Karl correctly points out, Soviet times had mainly 2 configurations. I just want to add that the second configuration was mainly for Afghanistan, where new experiences prompted the Soviets to try new approaches. The chestrig was either made by the soldiers themselves or taken from the mujaheddin (maybe even bought at markets?).

The first configuration is suitable for a Soviet soldier in the USSR/Europe.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 - 03:41 PM UTC

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That would be ideal, given release of soviet and Russian models these days.
Wonder what the large square part of pack is, looks like an entrenching tool cover, but with handle going up the back.

Sort of digital cam, so must be relatively modern.
Wonder what soviet era gear equivalent was?

Still so much is inknown about how they operate, compared to the wealth of experience out there with NATO forces.


Interesting



6sh112 is supposed to be standard loadout, with interchangable pouches for AK, SVD and PKM. (The one in the pic I posted is the AK configuration). The square part is for an entrenching tool
The camo is called EMR (ru), cifra (ru) or digital flora (eng).

As Karl correctly points out, Soviet times had mainly 2 configurations. I just want to add that the second configuration was mainly for Afghanistan, where new experiences prompted the Soviets to try new approaches. The chestrig was either made by the soldiers themselves or taken from the mujaheddin (maybe even bought at markets?).

The first configuration is suitable for a Soviet soldier in the USSR/Europe.



A lot of the chest rigs used by the Mujaheddin were likely of Chinese origin- that particular vest (for the AK-47/Type56 with the three central mag pouches and two smaller pouches either side) is quite commonly referred to as a 'Chicom Vest'- the Russians did have their own but their popularity around the world at the time (and even now) owes much to the proliferation of the Chinese made versions. As you pointed out- buying one at a market would have been very easy.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 - 03:58 PM UTC

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That would be ideal, given release of soviet and Russian models these days.
Wonder what the large square part of pack is, looks like an entrenching tool cover, but with handle going up the back.

Sort of digital cam, so must be relatively modern.
Wonder what soviet era gear equivalent was?

Still so much is inknown about how they operate, compared to the wealth of experience out there with NATO forces.


Interesting



6sh112 is supposed to be standard loadout, with interchangable pouches for AK, SVD and PKM. (The one in the pic I posted is the AK configuration). The square part is for an entrenching tool
The camo is called EMR (ru), cifra (ru) or digital flora (eng).

As Karl correctly points out, Soviet times had mainly 2 configurations. I just want to add that the second configuration was mainly for Afghanistan, where new experiences prompted the Soviets to try new approaches. The chestrig was either made by the soldiers themselves or taken from the mujaheddin (maybe even bought at markets?).

The first configuration is suitable for a Soviet soldier in the USSR/Europe.



A lot of the chest rigs used by the Mujaheddin were likely of Chinese origin- that particular vest (for the AK-47/Type56 with the three central mag pouches and two smaller pouches either side) is quite commonly referred to as a 'Chicom Vest'- the Russians did have their own but their popularity around the world at the time (and even now) owes much to the proliferation of the Chinese made versions. As you pointed out- buying one at a market would have been very easy.



Yes, thank you I totally forgot that they were Chinese.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 - 07:45 PM UTC
Finally remembered where I saw them. There is a company called AGV they do a set of modern Russian packs!

http://www.fieldsofglorymodels.co.uk/135-scale-modern-russian-military-backpacks-set-1-166-p.asp

http://www.fieldsofglorymodels.co.uk/135-scale-modern-russian-military-backpacks-set-2-168-p.asp

Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 - 10:00 PM UTC



Cool! Thanks for the heads up. Looks like set 1 & 2 are both out of stock at FOG models? Sending them email for their updates.
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