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Posted: Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 07:26 PM UTC
I am soon attempting to paint an IR lens and want to mix my own Vallejo color.

How can I go about turning a normal Vallejo color mix into a transparent paint to airbrush?

Thanks!
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Posted: Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 09:40 PM UTC
Generally I use semi-gloss black for an IR lens. If you want to make a transparent color, mix a small amount of paint with Vallejo Glaze Medium.
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Posted: Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 10:02 PM UTC
Even easier mix Klear floor polish with food colouring.
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Posted: Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 10:10 PM UTC

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Generally I use semi-gloss black for an IR lens. If you want to make a transparent color, mix a small amount of paint with Vallejo Glaze Medium.



Gotcha, thanks.

So why solid black? Sure there was some level of transparency, no?
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Posted: Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 10:36 PM UTC

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Even easier mix Klear floor polish with food colouring.



You beat me to that uber-great solution! And with 4 food colors, you can make any color and intensity you want, pretty much!

So, for folks wanting greenish periscopes and modern bullet-proof vehicle windows while using those clear parts... a light coat of green-tinted Future (Klear) does wonders while preserving the transparency. Want a slightly yellow headlight bulb? Alum foil or any "silvery" paint into the cavity, and fill with lightly-tinted Future. (Modern car modelers might want to try other colors - greenish and bluish tints - for some of the modern headlamps!)

And if you want to try out some pooled dirty water on a tank-fender or something... here's where adding a small amount of acrylic paint to the Future / Klear can get both the desired color and some depth and translucent character! It may be worth playing around with!...

Cheers!

Bob
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 05:27 AM UTC

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So why solid black? Sure there was some level of transparency, no?


When I started out as a driver in the Mech Infantry, I thought so too. When no one was watching, I looked at the IR lights hard and sometimes when the sun hit them just right, I thought I saw the darkest red, but no transparency. The thing that hangs you up is the word red. But honestly , they look black. You can put a layer of transparent red over the black, to give it that tint, but it's very hard to see anything on the real lens.
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 07:58 AM UTC

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So why solid black? Sure there was some level of transparency, no?


When I started out as a driver in the Mech Infantry, I thought so too. When no one was watching, I looked at the IR lights hard and sometimes when the sun hit them just right, I thought I saw the darkest red, but no transparency. The thing that hangs you up is the word red. But honestly , they look black. You can put a layer of transparent red over the black, to give it that tint, but it's very hard to see anything on the real lens.



Thanks, Matt. Yeah, I was actually going to go for a dark purple, based on some other reading I'd done.

I may take some artistic liberties here, in order to show off the cool spotlight interior, but no red
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 09:51 AM UTC
As above re IR colours being 'semi-gloss black'

Don't try to use Vallejo to tint Future or Varnish, the VJ doesn't thin that far.

I use Future with food colouring, or Tamiya do transparents, 'smoke' as well as red/yellow/orange (+green?) much more amenable to mixing/tinting.
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Posted: Monday, April 13, 2015 - 02:23 AM UTC
Jake,

I saw your post in the Armor forum and it just occurred to me - what is this IR lens attached to? I can only give eyewitness experience to stuff after I enlisted in 1982. German WWII is a different matter. The Germans experimented with different wavelengths and lens colors were different. I can't give you anything off the top of my head on German WWII IR but some research might be in order, and deep purple might be appropriate(the color, not the band)!
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Posted: Monday, April 13, 2015 - 09:38 AM UTC
IF the real subject here is about the German IR night-vision device used on some Panthers and some SdKfz 250 tracks late in WWII...

This was an "active-IR" / Near-IR device consisting of an IR searchlight and an AEG - Leitz FG1250 "Bildwandler" ("BiWa") image-converter.

The IR searchlight (several sizes used) was a very high-powered tungsten-filament "conventional incandescent lamp" - a strong headlamp- with a deep-red glass IR filter-plate attached in front that allowed mostly light of ca 800 nm wavelength (near IR) to pass. This filter plate was deep red glass - so painting that searchlight lens would be very deep red (red-black or very very dark red transparent).

These lamps were rather inefficient IR sources and were pretty limited to perhaps 400 - 600m effective target illumination, and they consumed a LOT of power and got very hot during operation.

The BiWa unit (FG1250) was a near-IR receiver. If sufficient 800nm IR energy was reflected back from a target, it could effectively operate out to about 5-600m. The front lens appeared essentially black (glossy black, for painting). During operation, the BiWa generated an inverted "green" image on a small phosphor screen coupled to a low-power magnifier to provide a sight image. That eyepiece at the back end of the BiWa would of course appear black when not operating.

Cheers!

Bob
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Posted: Monday, April 13, 2015 - 09:07 PM UTC
Matt - yes, working on German WWII infrared. Good cross-post catch!

Bob - great info, thanks!!
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