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Rust color?
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Posted: Friday, January 16, 2004 - 03:28 AM UTC
Is there a color, or set of colors, in the Tamiya or Gunze paint ranges that accurately simulates rust?
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Posted: Friday, January 16, 2004 - 04:19 AM UTC
Tamiya dont have the greatest range of colours in the world and I dont know much about gunze. But for rust .... just one colour looks very false.
So to get a nice rust effect use orange, browns and black and everything inbetween. If its heavily rusted add some baking soda or baby powder for texture. I personally like to make rust with pastels ... with no formula just using the colours as mentioned above.
For rust around mountings and small details I use a wash of burnt sienna oil. This dries redder than what it looks like from the tube and gives a nice rusty effect.
Not a direct answer to your question, but I hope it helps some!
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Posted: Friday, January 16, 2004 - 04:57 AM UTC
Hi there Blank. Although I haven't tried it out yet, I have the Model Masters rust paint no. 4675, I dunno if it's available there. I did have the rust color before with the Gunze weathering set, it was okay but I think you should also try out what Plasticbattle suggested.
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Posted: Friday, January 16, 2004 - 08:12 AM UTC
I use Humbrol chocolate brown and overlay with orange pastel
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Posted: Friday, January 16, 2004 - 08:34 AM UTC
Jeez guys, just use the real stuff. Sand a piece of rusty metal, collect the dust, add a drop or two clear flat acrylic or water, and paint it on. And guess what, it looks like rust and takes the guess work out of the equation.
Works like a charm.
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Posted: Friday, January 16, 2004 - 09:08 AM UTC
Like Ken, I usually use real rust. Once dried up I give a black wash and a very light drybrush with orange or dark brown. Testor's Rust works well too...
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Posted: Friday, January 16, 2004 - 08:37 PM UTC
i use a number of different methods,

the real rust one is great
the oil paints work well for streaks etc,

one thing i do use is a product called scenic rust, its made in the uk i believe, and consisits of a grey powder, a binding agent, and a developer solution.

its basically iron ground to a powder, you mix it with the binder(i think its white glue) and once it dries, you paint on the developer solution, and after about 8 hours youve got rust.
its the best looking method IMHO,

cheers

joe
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Posted: Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 12:43 AM UTC
Hubrol have rust #113. I use it and I think it looks decent.

HastyP

It is an enamel.
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Posted: Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 02:30 AM UTC
About this "real rust" technique, are the results reasonably permanent (i.e. as permanent as painting the rust on) or easily rubbed off, like chalk pastels?
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Posted: Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 09:16 AM UTC
If the grain of the rust you get is very thin then on a matt suface usually adhers quite well. You can consider to use some water diluted white glue to apply to the surface and then sprinkle the rust over it to get a more "messy" look.
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Posted: Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 11:18 AM UTC
See my post here

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/23511&page=1

Hope this helps!
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Posted: Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 11:24 AM UTC
found this tip on the web.
they explain a way to create rust

http://web135.kserver7.erfurt12.de/en_tip_rust.html
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Posted: Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 02:26 PM UTC
Thanks for the help guys!

I read about the steel-wool rust thing somewhere before, and just got a ScotchBrite scouring pad to try it out for myself
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2004 - 02:32 AM UTC
http://www.tankfive.net/pagine%20inglesi/tips&tricks/rust.htm

Try this link, there is a great article on creating actual rust powder that looks incredible!

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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2004 - 03:03 AM UTC
I got a Scotchbrite scouring pad to try this trick about a few weeks ago. It STILL hasn't begun to rust - in a salt/vinegar solution, in open air on the balcony in my condo. I tried the same thing on a generic brand scouring pad (hoping it would rust quicker). Same thing! Does it HAVE to be steelwool to work? It's hard to find in my country - I've gone to every hardware store nearby and none of them even know what it is!
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2004 - 03:25 AM UTC

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I got a Scotchbrite scouring pad to try this trick about a few weeks ago. It STILL hasn't begun to rust - in a salt/vinegar solution, in open air on the balcony in my condo. I tried the same thing on a generic brand scouring pad (hoping it would rust quicker). Same thing! Does it HAVE to be steelwool to work? It's hard to find in my country - I've gone to every hardware store nearby and none of them even know what it is!


My suggestion is to get a metal pipe (no, not the stainless type), it costs around P9 Phil Peso. Put it in water for a while. Then scrape off the rust it accumulates. IMO Scotchbrite may be using stainless steel so it won't rust easily.
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2004 - 04:32 AM UTC

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Hi there Blank. Although I haven't tried it out yet, I have the Model Masters rust paint no. 4675, I dunno if it's available there. I did have the rust color before with the Gunze weathering set, it was okay but I think you should also try out what Plasticbattle suggested.


I've used this in the past and concur with Plasticbattle on the variety of colors. I make a slurry of reddish brown and shaved brown pastels for the base color, then washes and drybrusshing to kick it up.
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