Seems like Dragon's on the roll for those one-offs... Looking forward to this one
http://www.dragonusaonline.com/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=DRA6824
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Dragon Pz IV with Panther turrer
Posted: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 - 06:51 PM UTC

Youngun

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Posted: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 - 06:59 PM UTC
Isn't that the Schmalturm? IF yes then it seems Dragon is marketing this one to the WoT players as the PZ IV Schmalturm is a premium German tank.
Oblivion

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Posted: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 - 11:05 PM UTC
at the asking price, you can get a panzer IV and a panther F, make the conversion and keep the remaining parts (pz IV turret and panther lower hull) for other projects

SDavies

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Posted: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 - 11:13 PM UTC
I really dont care for this kit or some of Dragon's latest releases to be honest
We have had a Panther turret on a Tiger and now on a Panzer 4
Guess we can forget about innovation from Dragon in 2015
We have had a Panther turret on a Tiger and now on a Panzer 4
Guess we can forget about innovation from Dragon in 2015

wedgetail53

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 03:15 AM UTC
G'day gents
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!!! Another paper panzer from Dragon!! Why, oh why, do they keep producing these when there are many vehicles which actually saw service in large numbers and which have yet to be produced in a decent kit form by any manufacturer?
Bergepanther Ausf A and Ausf G spring immediately to mind . . . .
Regards
Rob
Aaaarrrggghhh!!!!! Another paper panzer from Dragon!! Why, oh why, do they keep producing these when there are many vehicles which actually saw service in large numbers and which have yet to be produced in a decent kit form by any manufacturer?
Bergepanther Ausf A and Ausf G spring immediately to mind . . . .

Regards
Rob
Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 03:54 AM UTC
While it may not be a popular choice, I'd guess that to them it still makes business sense to do so. Cheers

brekinapez

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 04:54 AM UTC
Nothing more than pandering to the WOT crowd, which even though I play the game too I want tanks that were actually seen in combat, not some engineer's notebook.

MLD

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 05:01 AM UTC
SEVENTY TWO freakin' bucks?!?!
What are they smoking over there in Dragonland?
I suppose if you play premium tanks.. still. Not for entry builders.
Thanks, but no thanks.
What are they smoking over there in Dragonland?
I suppose if you play premium tanks.. still. Not for entry builders.
Thanks, but no thanks.

Tanksami

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 04:24 PM UTC
Dear Dragon,
This junk is why I know longer even look at your new release's!!
I second the call for a bergepanther g, an M3 lee, the sdkfz252 that was in your cataloge over 10yrs ago!!
Figure sets to compliment your earlier sets in gen 2 configeration
New panzer greniader sets that actually work together & not have 4 different guys that don't work together...unlike your ardenees paratroopers that were fantastic
Paper panzers....phahhh
Until you get real, my $$$ will go to other kit makers
Once upon a time like 5yrs ago all I brought was dragon...no longer that way at all.
Mike
This junk is why I know longer even look at your new release's!!
I second the call for a bergepanther g, an M3 lee, the sdkfz252 that was in your cataloge over 10yrs ago!!
Figure sets to compliment your earlier sets in gen 2 configeration
New panzer greniader sets that actually work together & not have 4 different guys that don't work together...unlike your ardenees paratroopers that were fantastic
Paper panzers....phahhh
Until you get real, my $$$ will go to other kit makers
Once upon a time like 5yrs ago all I brought was dragon...no longer that way at all.
Mike

vettejack

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 04:42 PM UTC
Ditto with me as well...I will not build anything that has to do with 'paper' anything, from any country. While I play WoT, their maps are mostly fake as well as a lot of the 'armor'. There is too much of the real stuff to model. While WoT kits may have a following, it's not for me...

Cantstopbuyingkits

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 05:32 PM UTC
As I've said before, they need to move the focus back from Disney and WOT licensed released, or else risk losing every single one of their long term fans.

GeoffSteer

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 05:45 PM UTC
The left over Pz-IV turret can be placed on the left over Panther hull as this was actually done in the field.
Hope this is of some use-
Geoff Steer
This was meant as a reply to Mr. Christos Athanasiou's post, third from the top.
Hope this is of some use-
Geoff Steer
This was meant as a reply to Mr. Christos Athanasiou's post, third from the top.

SDavies

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 05:50 PM UTC
Quoted Text
The left over Pz-IV turret can be placed on the left over Panther hull as this was actually done in the field.
Hope this is of some use-
Geoff Steer
This was meant as a reply to Mr. Christos Athanasiou's post, third from the top.
Panzer4 turrets were installed on Panthers in the field?
I have never heard of that.
So instead of having a Panther and a Panzer 4 now we have 2 horrible mutations using parts from both, no thanks

Cantstopbuyingkits

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 06:18 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextThe left over Pz-IV turret can be placed on the left over Panther hull as this was actually done in the field.
Hope this is of some use-
Geoff Steer
This was meant as a reply to Mr. Christos Athanasiou's post, third from the top.
Panzer4 turrets were installed on Panthers in the field?
I have never heard of that.
According to the WOT wiki it is believed than MAN fitted one of their late 1942 prototypes of the panther with a PZIV turret.
Oblivion

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 06:34 PM UTC
Panzerjager Abteilung 653 made a one-off field conversion, where they fitted a Panzer IV Ausf H turret to a Bergepanther Ausf D and used it as a command vehicle
I intentionally did not mention this vehicle as the base Panther is an Ausf D, which is very different to the Ausf F


I intentionally did not mention this vehicle as the base Panther is an Ausf D, which is very different to the Ausf F

Biggles2

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 07:35 PM UTC
Dragon has lost their edge, as well, I believe, some R & D staff to newer companies such as Meng, Takom, Bronco/Riich, etc., and are struggling to start over. They seem to be relying on recycling older (and better) molds from 5 - 10 years ago, as much as possible, and their recent "new tooled" releases, as we all know, are dismal, and technological throwbacks to 20, or more, years ago. Their most obvious redemption would be to release Gen 2 weapons and equipment sets.

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