AFV Painting & Weathering
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
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Unpaintable models
REMF11M
Armed Forces Europe, United States
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Posted: Monday, January 19, 2004 - 10:15 PM UTC
I'm working on a model right now that doesn't want to hold paint. I've let the paint dry over night (about 6 hours). But when I pick up the pieces the paint sticks to my fingers. What should I do?
flitzer
England - North West, United Kingdom
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Posted: Monday, January 19, 2004 - 10:26 PM UTC
Sorry to hear that.
Is it plastic or resin?
Did you prime?
What paint type?
It looks like you might have to strip the paint and try again with different paints.
Mr Roo will probably be along soon with a wise and accurate answer.
Hope you sort it out.
Cheers for now
Peter
Is it plastic or resin?
Did you prime?
What paint type?
It looks like you might have to strip the paint and try again with different paints.
Mr Roo will probably be along soon with a wise and accurate answer.
Hope you sort it out.
Cheers for now
Peter
REMF11M
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Posted: Monday, January 19, 2004 - 10:51 PM UTC
Is it plastic or resin? Plastic
Did you prime? No
What paint type? Revelle, never had a problem before
It's an Arii kit. I've never used this company before.
Did you prime? No
What paint type? Revelle, never had a problem before
It's an Arii kit. I've never used this company before.
Major_Goose
Kikladhes, Greece / Ελλάδα
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Posted: Monday, January 19, 2004 - 10:53 PM UTC
It looks weird cause even the worst quality of plastic will hold any kind of enamel paint or acrylic. So maybe the model is dirty (from molding, or finger grease or something else or you have a bad paint , or you didnt shake stir and mix your paint properly) i dont have another answer. Unpaint and redo priming this time
Sidney
Netherlands
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Posted: Monday, January 19, 2004 - 11:31 PM UTC
wash the parts in warm water with some wahsing detergent, rinse with luke-warm water and let dry
this will remove oil from the parts, the oil is used when the parts are injectionmoulded
this will remove oil from the parts, the oil is used when the parts are injectionmoulded
flitzer
England - North West, United Kingdom
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Posted: Monday, January 19, 2004 - 11:34 PM UTC
Hi again Remf11m,
I had a terrible experience with an Arii model but not with paint. I did a...you guessed...a Luft 46 thing...possible replacement for Me Bf110 test...A Dinah with engines from the Ju88.
The area aft of the cockpit needed a lot of work and filler....I used Humbrol and the styrene melted. I had to cut out the squishy bits and scratch build the replacement area, almost half the fuselage. Needless to say I switched filler to Milliput for this one. Never had a problem before or since with Humbrol filler, but I've never done another Arii.
But Humbrol paints were fine.
???weird.
Cheers
Peter
I had a terrible experience with an Arii model but not with paint. I did a...you guessed...a Luft 46 thing...possible replacement for Me Bf110 test...A Dinah with engines from the Ju88.
The area aft of the cockpit needed a lot of work and filler....I used Humbrol and the styrene melted. I had to cut out the squishy bits and scratch build the replacement area, almost half the fuselage. Needless to say I switched filler to Milliput for this one. Never had a problem before or since with Humbrol filler, but I've never done another Arii.
But Humbrol paints were fine.
???weird.
Cheers
Peter
shonen_red
Metro Manila, Philippines
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Posted: Monday, January 19, 2004 - 11:35 PM UTC
It maybe the temperature, humidity and/or the paint consistency.
I think the paint stick because of the plastic itself. Remember when the kit is manufactured, it has a thin plastic film which prevents paints from sticking on the part and instead on the plastic. Try Sidney's technique to remove the film. Water + Soap + Oils = emulsion. They will stick together so the film will be washed away.
I think the paint stick because of the plastic itself. Remember when the kit is manufactured, it has a thin plastic film which prevents paints from sticking on the part and instead on the plastic. Try Sidney's technique to remove the film. Water + Soap + Oils = emulsion. They will stick together so the film will be washed away.
ave
Klang, Malaysia
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 12:02 AM UTC
I've had this problem before.
There are 2 possible problems
1. The model may have grease on it
2. The paint you are using isnt mixed propely
There are 2 possible problems
1. The model may have grease on it
2. The paint you are using isnt mixed propely
REMF11M
Armed Forces Europe, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 12:04 AM UTC
Thanks All.
I'll give the washing a try and let you all know how it turns out.
I'll give the washing a try and let you all know how it turns out.
MrRoo
Queensland, Australia
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 07:48 AM UTC
for real problem models like this one I use the wash method and when Dry I wipe it over quickly with metholated spirts. Try the metholated spirits on a scrap first.
Metholated spirits is good as when it evaporates it leaves no residue.
Metholated spirits is good as when it evaporates it leaves no residue.
REMF11M
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 08:27 PM UTC
Striping didn't go to well. Looks like I'm going to have to buy another model. Glad it only costs $6.75
greatbrit
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 09:04 PM UTC
just a word of warning to you all,
since my airbrush has been out of action for the past few months, ive been using the tamiya spraypaints, and they are rubbish!
they have trouble sticking to surfaces, even after priming, and washes with anything other that white spirit causes a wierd surface effect, like when water comes through behind the paint(like on old doorframes etc)
ive tried several different colours, and different temperatures, etc they all seem the same
cheers
joe
since my airbrush has been out of action for the past few months, ive been using the tamiya spraypaints, and they are rubbish!
they have trouble sticking to surfaces, even after priming, and washes with anything other that white spirit causes a wierd surface effect, like when water comes through behind the paint(like on old doorframes etc)
ive tried several different colours, and different temperatures, etc they all seem the same
cheers
joe