someone can tell me which tanks are these?
I think they are russian/soviet, but which type?
thanks at all!
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which tanks are these?
Venom
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 02:46 AM UTC
Hi guys
someone can tell me which tanks are these?
I think they are russian/soviet, but which type?
thanks at all!
someone can tell me which tanks are these?
I think they are russian/soviet, but which type?
thanks at all!
matt
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 02:48 AM UTC
The last one looks like a T-55
Sabot
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 02:51 AM UTC
Top one is a T-72, the bottom a T-55. Unsure what the center one is, perhaps our resident Russian armor specialist can identify it for certain.
M113Fan
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 03:05 AM UTC
the top one's a t-72, the bottom one's a t-55, but it has an odd lighting arangement, and the cut away in the.. err. brace on the front is on the opposite side to a usual t-55, the middle one looks like a t-55 or t-62.. looks like it was taken at the Imperial War Museum in England too
keenan
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 03:08 AM UTC
I think the middle one may be a T-55 with a BUNCH of reactive armor added. Only basing this on the 5 road wheels and the stowage on the front fenders.
Shaun
Shaun
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 03:15 AM UTC
The middle tank is missing the normal stutter 'spacing' between the two front road wheels normally found on T-55's
Tread.
greatbrit
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 03:20 AM UTC
your right, its at duxford,
ive seen the actual vehicles, they are stored around the back of the land warfare hall.
the top one is a T72, but im not sure about the rest.
is the bottom one a T54?
cheers
joe
ive seen the actual vehicles, they are stored around the back of the land warfare hall.
the top one is a T72, but im not sure about the rest.
is the bottom one a T54?
cheers
joe
Ranger74
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 03:47 AM UTC
Hi,
Everyone got the T-72 correct, but I believe you need to relook the road wheel spacing and the bore evacuator location for the 2nd & 3rd vehicles. The large gap is at the rear in both pictures (hard to see in middle shot) and bore evacuator is 1/3 back from muzzle. These two ID clues denote the two vehicles as T-62s
The T-55 has the large roadwheel gap at the front and the bore evacuator is located at the muzzle. The T-54 does not carry a bore evacuator and has same road wheel configuation as the T-55.
Jeff
Everyone got the T-72 correct, but I believe you need to relook the road wheel spacing and the bore evacuator location for the 2nd & 3rd vehicles. The large gap is at the rear in both pictures (hard to see in middle shot) and bore evacuator is 1/3 back from muzzle. These two ID clues denote the two vehicles as T-62s
The T-55 has the large roadwheel gap at the front and the bore evacuator is located at the muzzle. The T-54 does not carry a bore evacuator and has same road wheel configuation as the T-55.
Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 04:08 AM UTC
more interesting is the centurian AVRE and pipe fasence trailer in the background
210cav
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 05:06 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi,
Everyone got the T-72 correct, but I believe you need to relook the road wheel spacing and the bore evacuator location for the 2nd & 3rd vehicles. The large gap is at the rear in both pictures (hard to see in middle shot) and bore evacuator is 1/3 back from muzzle. These two ID clues denote the two vehicles as T-62s
The T-55 has the large roadwheel gap at the front and the bore evacuator is located at the muzzle. The T-54 does not carry a bore evacuator and has same road wheel configuation as the T-55.
Jeff
Jeff-- totally agree. At first glance the middle one looks like a T-55 because of the muzzle cover. But, the bore evacuator is definitiely that of a T-62. Good eye.
Scouts out!
DJ
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 05:17 AM UTC
The middle one is a T-62MV
The bottom one is straight T-62 I believe
The bottom one is straight T-62 I believe
ChrisCarney
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 06:57 AM UTC
OK, the first one is definately a T-72. But I think the 2nd and 3rd are both T-62. The T-62 had spacings between the last road wheels, where the T-55 has the spacings between the first road wheels. I've got a shot up T-55 sitting in front of the hanger I'm working in as we speak. I'll try and get a pic of it and there's a T-72 on the other side of the base I'll try and get also. I certainly hope I stirred the pot on that one. Thanks for the pics.
Chris (Lost in Iraq somewhere) Carney
Chris (Lost in Iraq somewhere) Carney
Manchu34
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 07:01 AM UTC
TOP: T-72
MIDDLE: T-62 with reactive armor, This wa easy because of the shape of the turret
BOTTOM: T-62; Reasoning is that the T54/55 series the BORE EVACUATOR is located at the end of the barrel. While the T-62's is located 1/3 of the barrels length from the end of the barrel. Furthermore, if you examine the photo closer you will see that the gap between the 5 and 6 road wheel is greater than the gap between the 1 and 2 roadd wheel.
It can be real difficult to tell the differences between many of the FSU's armor. I know I taught Armor Identification in the US Army for over 10 years.
Actually the some T-54s can be found with the bore evacuator. The BIG DIFFERENCE between the T-54 and T-55 is the DOME VENTILATOR Dome located in the front center of the turrret and in line with the barrel!
MIDDLE: T-62 with reactive armor, This wa easy because of the shape of the turret
BOTTOM: T-62; Reasoning is that the T54/55 series the BORE EVACUATOR is located at the end of the barrel. While the T-62's is located 1/3 of the barrels length from the end of the barrel. Furthermore, if you examine the photo closer you will see that the gap between the 5 and 6 road wheel is greater than the gap between the 1 and 2 roadd wheel.
It can be real difficult to tell the differences between many of the FSU's armor. I know I taught Armor Identification in the US Army for over 10 years.
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Colonel Ranger74 writes: The T-55 has the large roadwheel gap at the front and the bore evacuator is located at the muzzle. The T-54 does not carry a bore evacuator and has same road wheel configuation as the T-55
Actually the some T-54s can be found with the bore evacuator. The BIG DIFFERENCE between the T-54 and T-55 is the DOME VENTILATOR Dome located in the front center of the turrret and in line with the barrel!
TreadHead
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 12:39 PM UTC
Geeee what a fun thread you started Venom!
Tread.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 01:33 PM UTC
I know I'm a little late on this but the top one is a T-72 and the middle and bottom tank are variants of the T62. The 54/55 had gaps between the number 1 & 2 roadwheels and the 62 had the gaps in the rear. The 54/55 had no bore evac or a bore evac at the muzzle end of the gun tube. Not sure of which variant on the 62's though.
Tanks Out
Tanks Out
Venom
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 10:53 PM UTC
Hi guys...
you did a big discussion about these!
Thanks guys, you are really the best....unfortunatly I don't have spare time so I can't stay too many time on Armorama...
see you soon
cheers
you did a big discussion about these!
Thanks guys, you are really the best....unfortunatly I don't have spare time so I can't stay too many time on Armorama...
see you soon
cheers
Ranger74
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Posted: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 02:52 AM UTC
Manchu34 - You are correct that a T54 can carry a bore evacuator, depending on model and the turret fan dome is also correct.
It has only been 28 years since I went thru Armor basic and 25 since I was a Scout Platoon Leader. I remember my scouts (11Ds then) going thru special vehicle ID training. They had to identify a vehicle by name based on a 3-5 second glimse of a slide - showing just a end of a gun tube sticking out of a tree line or a couple road wheels. hey had to know their stuff.
As 210CAV stated: "Scouts Out - Out Front"
It has only been 28 years since I went thru Armor basic and 25 since I was a Scout Platoon Leader. I remember my scouts (11Ds then) going thru special vehicle ID training. They had to identify a vehicle by name based on a 3-5 second glimse of a slide - showing just a end of a gun tube sticking out of a tree line or a couple road wheels. hey had to know their stuff.
As 210CAV stated: "Scouts Out - Out Front"
Savage
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Posted: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 03:40 AM UTC
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The middle one is a T-62MV
The bottom one is straight T-62 I believe
SEDimmick has got it spot on!
Top one is a T-72
Middle is a T-62MV or MV-1
Bottom is a T-62 (Centurion AVRE in the background)
Photo of T-62MV
T-62MV / MV-1 Specs:
TITLE : T-62MV
DESCRIPTION :
T-62 upgrade with the Sheksna (US designation AT-10) laser-guided missile system, explosive reactive armour system, a V-55U engine and the R-173 communications system.
TITLE : T-62MV-1
DESCRIPTION :
T-62 upgrade with the Sheksna (US designation AT-10) laser-guided missile system, explosive reactive armour protection, a V-46-5M engine and the R-173 communications system.
From: http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/armored_vehicles/t-62.htm
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