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Biggles2
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 07:16 PM UTC
For what reason is nudity like this: https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/10517 permitted? Because they are only PLASTIC models, and not real ones? Just askin'.
nikon1
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 07:38 PM UTC
Something that makes you go hum
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obg153
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 07:57 PM UTC
Not sure of what the question is. "for what reason is nudity like this permitted?" Permission from whom, for what??
Kornbeef
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 08:02 PM UTC
Best not forget that Armorama is just a part of kitmaker which covers a wide range of modelling subjects and genres.
As for the subject itself I would hardly consider it a shocking display of nudity liable to cause a crumbling of moral standards. It's hardly anywhere near close to what could be thought of as unsavoury. More a case of if you don't want to see it don't click on the link or if you do close it down.
I see nothing wrong personally but if someone did and created a fuss where would it end?.. No noseart on aircraft models for instance?
Keith totally tongue in cheek and not wanting to offend anyones moral opinion.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 08:17 PM UTC
I vote that the thread needs to be censored. (I know ugly word!)
Black squares in appropriate places or taken down altogether.
This model figure is a far cry from Elvira standing there in all her low cut, slit black dress glory. This model is 3D porn, plain and simple.
Just one man's opinion but I say this one is over the line, WAY over the line.
p.s.
I cringe whenever I see some of these figures in the local and regional hobby competitions with all the children running around there.
The parents "thought" the local hobby show would be someplace "safe" to take their kids but they were wrong!
Black squares in appropriate places or taken down altogether.
This model figure is a far cry from Elvira standing there in all her low cut, slit black dress glory. This model is 3D porn, plain and simple.
Just one man's opinion but I say this one is over the line, WAY over the line.
p.s.
I cringe whenever I see some of these figures in the local and regional hobby competitions with all the children running around there.
The parents "thought" the local hobby show would be someplace "safe" to take their kids but they were wrong!
matt
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 08:19 PM UTC
Nevermind the thread is from 2003...... Most of us forget some of the antics that went on back then.
Tojo72
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 08:26 PM UTC
CMOT
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 08:32 PM UTC
Naked persons should not be displayed or linked to from the KitMaker Network. I can think of two reasons for this; 1 a child may see it in a place where it should be a safe enviroment. 2 and perhaps most importantly, most here are adults and many check the site from work, they should not be putting their jobs at risk because someone fails to follow the rules and links to or displays unsuitable content.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 08:37 PM UTC
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Well if that was offensive,what about this one ?
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/236791&page=1
Alright "girl on the tank hatch with AK" is the figure I thought you guys were talking about! But I realize this is certainly not the only one like this out there.
As to the "bathers being spied on" it is a much more reserved subject and the boxart WAS censored to some degree by the manufacture. Some slightly more strategically placed arms would have been helpful on the cover art. Then there would have been little or nothing to talk about.
Biggles2
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 08:59 PM UTC
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Not sure of what the question is. "for what reason is nudity like this permitted?" Permission from whom, for what??
This was in response to a humourous link (a link, mind you, not a posted pic) re: "Rye Field Models" I posted, and was deleted/censored. The link I posted was of a model in a rye field - semi-naked; one boob exposed. You can see worse (or better
) on TV these days. Not making an issue, but just wondering why my posting was deleted, but pics of naked resin or plastic models are posted both on Armorama and Historicus Forma. CMOT
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 09:21 PM UTC
Biggles; If I had followed your link from work I would now be suspended and looking at being sacked as the IT department would have flagged it up. The link you provided was not of a resin or plastic model which could be explained away. Do I need to go further.
Your link could have cost members their jobs, end of.
Your link could have cost members their jobs, end of.
Biggles2
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 09:30 PM UTC
OK. Thanks. No more "naughty bits".
obg153
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 09:58 PM UTC
Just like "beauty", "offense" is in the eye of the beholder. I recall folks on this site being "offended" in some way at dioramas depicting scenes related to the Holocaust. To some, the Masterbox bathers appear offensive("needed more strategically placed arms") but have no issue with Masterbox hand-to-hand combat sets where men are trying to kill each other with entrenching tools/bayonets/rifle butts, ("Wow what a cool set"). My point is, these are reflections or representations of reality, or at least something that may have(or probably did) happen. If you don't like it, don't buy it or build it. If you're worried you might see one at a model show, or a museum, then don't go to one. I would not buy the "naked girl with the AK" figure either, not because I think she's offensive, but because I just don't envision building any kind of scene using that figure.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 12:52 AM UTC
I don' t see the "girl with the AK" as any kind of "reality" other than some GI's late night dream or a dance routine in a strip club. She's a beauty alright but she is also offensive. What you do with your girlfriend on Friday night may be beautiful but showing the video around the office on Monday morning isn't, it's offensive, crass, and rude to your girlfriend.
And hey, I'm not going to stop going to hobby shows just b/c some guy's an A hole and tries to bring a latex porn figure into the competition but don't ask me to judge it because I will throw it out.
An "all ages" hobby competition would not be the place for something like that and if you can't see that then there is something wrong with you and not the other way around!
OK, Darren or Jim S. It is time to shut me down!
And hey, I'm not going to stop going to hobby shows just b/c some guy's an A hole and tries to bring a latex porn figure into the competition but don't ask me to judge it because I will throw it out.
An "all ages" hobby competition would not be the place for something like that and if you can't see that then there is something wrong with you and not the other way around!
OK, Darren or Jim S. It is time to shut me down!
brekinapez
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 01:59 AM UTC
Seriously, man, if you find nudity offensive then the problem is with you. How exactly are you "offended" by it, considering that in order to be offended the item would have had to insult you or cause you some kind of grief or hurt? Inappropriate for the situation perhaps, but offensive? That just seems a bit much. And your comment about showing a video of girlfriends at the office is just a straw man and has nothing to do with a plastic kit. Not at all the same thing. And porn? Where is the sexual activity? Are you aroused by plastic figures? I'm not.
And to all you people worried about being busted at work, why are you looking at crap instead of working? I would write you up in a heartbeat if I caught you looking at anything other than work-related materials while on the company's time. And if you're off the clock, look at it on your smart phone or wait until you get home.
And to all you people worried about being busted at work, why are you looking at crap instead of working? I would write you up in a heartbeat if I caught you looking at anything other than work-related materials while on the company's time. And if you're off the clock, look at it on your smart phone or wait until you get home.
SgtRam
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 02:07 AM UTC
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And to all you people worried about being busted at work, why are you looking at crap instead of working? I would write you up in a heartbeat if I caught you looking at anything other than work-related materials while on the company's time. And if you're off the clock, look at it on your smart phone or wait until you get home.
I would not want to work for you, and I don't think anyone else would. A lot of companies now allow employees to access internet while at work, as long as it does not interfere with their work. I as a manager have no issue with staff having a little time at work to do their own thing, including surfing the net. It is a very common practice now a days. But having them surfing inappropriate things is not acceptable, and either does it belong here.
obg153
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 03:20 AM UTC
A semi or even fully nude plastic figure is nowhere near a latex porn figure, so how they can even be equated is beyond me. And I seriously doubt that a 10 year old kid's first thought on seeing one of these at a hobby show is gonna be "a GI's dream or a strip club routine." And no one ever stated that there was something wrong with not liking these types of figures, so that accusation is without merit. As with many things in life, if you don't agree with it, then don't use/watch/smoke/eat/drive, or whatever else with it. But don't presume to impose that aversion upon others. Remember, everybody doesn't like something, but nobody doesn't like Sara Lee.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 04:04 AM UTC
You have the freedom of speach in America to yell FIRE in a crowded theater but not if there is no fire!
Freedom is not without it's limits, are you foolish enough to think you can do anything you want, do anything you feel?
As a parent I see absolutely NO reason to have to expose my children to such stuff when trying to attend what is otherwise a family event.
I'm no prude though I am sure I could not convince you of that at this point. I just don't think this stuff needs to be part of this hobby. Besides I doubt the guys that have a lot of these things on their display shelves exactly have an overly broad access to the rest of the human gene pool especially once their girlfriends see the guy's collection.
My eight year old nephew was visiting his ex Navy uncle and was admiring the guy's full arm sleeve of tattoos. It was funny when it happened but the first thing the young man found on his uncle's arm was the topless mermaid! So don't tell me these things have no effect on the young!
Freedom is not without it's limits, are you foolish enough to think you can do anything you want, do anything you feel?
As a parent I see absolutely NO reason to have to expose my children to such stuff when trying to attend what is otherwise a family event.
I'm no prude though I am sure I could not convince you of that at this point. I just don't think this stuff needs to be part of this hobby. Besides I doubt the guys that have a lot of these things on their display shelves exactly have an overly broad access to the rest of the human gene pool especially once their girlfriends see the guy's collection.
My eight year old nephew was visiting his ex Navy uncle and was admiring the guy's full arm sleeve of tattoos. It was funny when it happened but the first thing the young man found on his uncle's arm was the topless mermaid! So don't tell me these things have no effect on the young!
jasmils
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 04:30 AM UTC
I don't see a problem with any of them. Nothing more than what would be seen in classical art.
Now if you want "questionable content", how about I post a couple of Mascot Figures?????
Now that would cause a few people to turn their collective heads in disgust.
Now if you want "questionable content", how about I post a couple of Mascot Figures?????
Now that would cause a few people to turn their collective heads in disgust.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 04:36 AM UTC
We don't need to keep talking about this. I certainly knew folks with your opinions were out when I first posted to this thread. Just in the same way you knew there were people that share my viewpoint in this audience.
My intent was simply to voice the opinion less often heard these days. I wanted to go on record that there ARE people like me that still feel that to err on the side of greater conservativeism is a not such a bad idea!
I do actual scale modeling and that is my interest; hunting down the research, learning something about the history, the engineering and the design of a vehicle. I desire to learn facts and information much more than just learning how to recreate a realistic blush on a model girl's cheek.
Good Day!
My intent was simply to voice the opinion less often heard these days. I wanted to go on record that there ARE people like me that still feel that to err on the side of greater conservativeism is a not such a bad idea!
I do actual scale modeling and that is my interest; hunting down the research, learning something about the history, the engineering and the design of a vehicle. I desire to learn facts and information much more than just learning how to recreate a realistic blush on a model girl's cheek.
Good Day!
brekinapez
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 04:41 AM UTC
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I'm no prude though I am sure I could not convince you of that at this point. I just don't think this stuff needs to be part of this hobby. Besides I doubt the guys that have a lot of these things on their display shelves exactly have an overly broad access to the rest of the human gene pool especially once their girlfriends see the guy's collection.
No, you won't convince me, especially with such telling statements as the one above. Now you are making the claim that people who buy such items are inferior? Really? So where does that put people like me who like to build models of Nazi war machines on your list? And it doesn't matter if you feel this stuff should not be a part of the hobby because its not your decision to make. God forbid you click on any anime model kit links as your head might explode. That stuff borders on porn.
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My eight year old nephew was visiting his ex Navy uncle and was admiring the guy's full arm sleeve of tattoos. It was funny when it happened but the first thing the young man found on his uncle's arm was the topless mermaid! So don't tell me these things have no effect on the young!
And what effect did he suffer? Did you bother sitting him down and talking about what he saw or just leave him to form his own impressions?
Oh, and as far as shouting "fire" goes, that is NOT what the right allows and there are in fact restrictions placed on what constitutes free speech and what does not. The right allows the freedom to express ideas and opinions, which in the case of shouting "fire" when there is none does not apply in either case.
obg153
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 06:25 AM UTC
You want to compare warfare with a mermaid tattoo???? Not trying to get too philosophical about this, but in all of human history, without question & without equal, the most offensive & obscene activity humans have ever, or will ever engage in, is warfare. When you research the history/engineering/design of vehicles/planes/weapons, keep in mind that the desired result was always to be able to kill as many of your enemies as quickly as possible and to destroy anything your enemy valued.
So why would anyone want to build plastic models of stuff like that? Let's err on the side of being more conservative and just ban the modeling of military subjects. That way kids won't be exposed to the things being used for such horrible purposes. Of course, we'll also have to ban military aircraft from air shows. And I know the Pentagon will be really PO'd, but they'll only be allowed to operate after dark.
Better still, let's get really conservative and ban warfare.
So why would anyone want to build plastic models of stuff like that? Let's err on the side of being more conservative and just ban the modeling of military subjects. That way kids won't be exposed to the things being used for such horrible purposes. Of course, we'll also have to ban military aircraft from air shows. And I know the Pentagon will be really PO'd, but they'll only be allowed to operate after dark.
Better still, let's get really conservative and ban warfare.
DocEvan
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 06:39 AM UTC
Perhaps models of an Army that was commanded by a homicidal psychopath and dedicated to exterminating every Jew and Slav in Europe is more "questionable content" than a couple of nudes?
Note, if anyone here is being sarcastic, remember that humor doesn't travel well over the elctrons.
Note, if anyone here is being sarcastic, remember that humor doesn't travel well over the elctrons.
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I vote that the thread needs to be censored. (I know ugly word!)
Black squares in appropriate places or taken down altogether.
This model figure is a far cry from Elvira standing there in all her low cut, slit black dress glory. This model is 3D porn, plain and simple.
Just one man's opinion but I say this one is over the line, WAY over the line.
Do you have any evidence of harm done to children by their seeing a 1/35/th scale nude?
p.s.
I cringe whenever I see some of these figures in the local and regional hobby competitions with all the children running around there.
The parents "thought" the local hobby show would be someplace "safe" to take their kids but they were wrong!
Biggles2
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 07:26 PM UTC
And Heaven forbid school outings to any museum of fine arts where classical artwork, statues, and sculptures are displayed in all their naked fineness. 
SgtRam
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Posted: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - 07:33 PM UTC
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And Heaven forbid school outings to any museum of fine arts where classical artwork, statues, and sculptures are displayed in all their naked fineness.
There is a huge difference between ART and just random pictures of naked women.
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