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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 03:31 AM UTC


ICM has announced two new sets of figures, Greek Evzones and Italian WW1 infantry.

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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 03:46 AM UTC
Great looking figures, and without a pointing Natzee in sight.
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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 03:49 AM UTC
Regardless of what you think of the figures that ICM produces, you cannot help but be impressed with the originality.
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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 04:20 AM UTC
Funny how the Italian army in 1915 looked more sophisticated than the Greeks in 1940.
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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 04:36 AM UTC
Again ICM is taking the lead in originality!
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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 05:23 AM UTC
NO, NO, no! you have it all wrong guys. As part of the cost savings insisted on by the Eurozone was an edit that all Greeks modern military supplies and weapons had to be sold so the Greek Military has re-equipped itself from the museums LOL!!!
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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 10:16 AM UTC
Sorry, but I don't find the current situation in Greece to be a laughing matter.

Some people have lost everything; their life savings, pensions etc. I guess if that happened to you, you wouldn't be LOL:ing.

And back on topic: great figures, nice to see ICM thinking out of the box.

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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 11:00 AM UTC
These "unsophisticated" Greeks humiliated the Italians and claimed half of Albania. The last Italian offensive, operation Primavera, was under the direct supervision of Mussolini and saw 17 Italian divisions being held up in Kleissoura Pass by 13 Greek divisions.

During the Battle of Crete, the German fallschirmjaegers suffered heavy losses and never again in WWII did they engage in a large scale operation.

I would expect more respect for a country and a nation that has fought and resisted fascism to the last blood.
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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 11:15 AM UTC
Christos I am sure this was not meant to be insulting but as a joke, I am also sure that Cliff will regret having caused offence. I can understand why you have taken offence though.
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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 12:07 PM UTC
I don't want this thread to get side-tracked and I apologise if my tone was inappropriate.
I just feel it is unfair for a whole nation to be laughed at when the financial crisis is knocking on everyone's door. Unfortunately, we Greeks have played our part in this mess we are in.

On the subject now, the figures have a few issues in terms of accuracy
The officer's gun is a British Webley or Enfield 0.455. These came from the British Forces in North Africa, a lot later than the time of the Italian invasion. At the time, the Greek army had some French Nagants and some American 7.65 Ruby-Martians.
Biggest issue is with the rifles, where the kit includes Bulgarian Steyr-Mannlicher M 1895 8Χ50 and not Greek Mannlicher-Schonauer 6,5Χ54. The helmets are also off.
Below, you can see a Mannlicher-Schonauer 1930 and a Greek helmet of the specific period.

Photo posted for reference and discussion
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Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 - 11:50 PM UTC
A couple of interesting sets. A do have a couple of questions though. Firstly, in the Greek set what weapon I the third soldier carrying? And secondly, what are those curly things on the Italian packs?
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 12:34 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I don't want this thread to get side-tracked and I apologise if my tone was inappropriate.
I just feel it is unfair for a whole nation to be laughed at when the financial crisis is knocking on everyone's door. Unfortunately, we Greeks have played our part in this mess we are in.

On the subject now, the figures have a few issues in terms of accuracy
The officer's gun is a British Webley or Enfield 0.455. These came from the British Forces in North Africa, a lot later than the time of the Italian invasion. At the time, the Greek army had some French Nagants and some American 7.65 Ruby-Martians.
Biggest issue is with the rifles, where the kit includes Bulgarian Steyr-Mannlicher M 1895 8Χ50 and not Greek Mannlicher-Schonauer 6,5Χ54. The helmets are also off.
Below, you can see a Mannlicher-Schonauer 1930 and a Greek helmet of the specific period.

Photo posted for reference and discussion



I was always under the impression that the Evzones were armed with the newer Fabrique Nationale model 30 Mauser rifles and the regular infantry units were issued the Mannlicher-Schonauer. The Fabrique Nationale model 1922 pistol was also in Greek use though I don't know who got those.

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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 02:39 AM UTC
phantom, those are cinnamon rolls
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 02:56 AM UTC
That's what they look like! They're very strange.
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 03:00 AM UTC
Third greek soldier is carrying a Chauchat. Do keep in mind that the pictures of the figures in plastic are only tests from earlier this year and that the final result could very well be different. Both helmets and rifles might only be random placeholders for items that have not been made yet when the pictures were taken. The boxart itself might be a better indication perhaps since it would propably be more recent.
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 05:56 AM UTC
I suggest you study the role of German banks and firms in bribing Greek politicians to buy German military equipment.
And speaking of corruption, you should ask yourself why Germany is not extraditing Christoforakos to Greece. I will let you search for him online, you will find more than enough.
And to be on the topic, in 1953 Greece was among the countries to sign the treaty to postpone payment of war reparations and the forced loan until Germany was unified into one state again. Do I need to tell you when this happened and how much Germany has paid to Greece?

So yeah, I guess it is the Greeks to blame.
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 06:12 AM UTC
I am sure the Greeks are well aware they are not without blame as regards the situation they are in; by the same score the EU did not do the checks needed when Greece entered the EU. So do these two issues or wrongs mean that the old should be allowed to die and the rest including the young starve and suffer because they cannot afford electricity and medication? Do we really want the cradle of civilization as we know it to fall into a state from which it can never recover?

Now let’s get back on the subject of these new figures from ICM and not putting the boot into the Greek people. Come on this is a site covering a hobby we are all supposed to enjoy, not somewhere where we turn on each other.
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 10:43 AM UTC
Sorry for even commenting about Greece and their financial situation, my point was simply that it is not a laughing matter, but it just added fire to an unecessary discussion in this post. I will choose my words more wisely next time. My bad. Those of you who wish, please do continue laughing at others misfortune at your leisure. Back to the figures and modelling.
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 03:46 PM UTC
Really......blame the Germans, from WW2 days.!

Great figures Darren.
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2015 - 12:06 AM UTC

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Third greek soldier is carrying a Chauchat. Do keep in mind that the pictures of the figures in plastic are only tests from earlier this year and that the final result could very well be different. Both helmets and rifles might only be random placeholders for items that have not been made yet when the pictures were taken. The boxart itself might be a better indication perhaps since it would propably be more recent.



Cheers. I thought it looked familiar but I didn't know what it was called. I didn't even think they saw any use after WW1. A nice addition.
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2015 - 03:12 AM UTC

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And secondly, what are those curly things on the Italian packs?



Those are rolled straps. Looks like the straps were long for carrying additional equipment like bedroll or mess gear. Most nations did that with the long excess of leather strapping during the 19th and early 20th century. I can think of French packs going back to Napoleon's day, British Slade-Wallace equipment as in the Zulu War and so forth.
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