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Mirror Model's D7 Bulldozer in 1/35th
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Posted: Sunday, August 16, 2015 - 10:01 PM UTC

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Well I decided to bite the bullet; expensive AM parts are made to be used so I went for the RB Products "Radiator Mesh" - don't know how much it will show when finished but I did it anyway!



I will try and post better photos of this tonight.



At least you'll know that it's there! As happens so often with my 1/48 aircraft, much of the cockpit details and other details such as radio compartments and engine detailing (Especially in WWII multi-engined types) are often hidden or only partially visible by the time my kit is completed... At least I know that the stuff is in there...
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 12:04 AM UTC
Exactly. I have no idea if all that detail I added under my 20 ton trailer will ever be seen by anyone other than me except in a photograph. I think you should photographically document your aircraft interiors and display some detail photos at any competition along with your aircraft.

I will often display 8x10 photos showing the added underbody details as part of the competition display of my models.
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 04:32 AM UTC
Some progress photos:





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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 06:35 AM UTC
Just can not leave this engine alone!

added the fuel injector nozzles to the top left;


TM photo showing fuel injectors next to valve lifters with valve covers removed.
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If I ever build another Cat dozer I am going to scratch build that little cylindrical gas tank for the starter motor.


and a wiring harness to the gauge cluster on the right side as well as a fuel line, injector lines and misc. water lines.


and an overflow drain tube for the radiator.


Sorry for all the sanding dust all over the engine - did not even see it until I was processing the photos.
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 12:47 PM UTC

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Exactly. I have no idea if all that detail I added under my 20 ton trailer will ever be seen by anyone other than me except in a photograph. I think you should photographically document your aircraft interiors and display some detail photos at any competition along with your aircraft.

I will often display underbody detail photos as part of my competition display of my trucks.



I haven't been to any shows or competitions in the last 20 years or so. WAAAAY too much bias in favor of German WWII stuff- Even in the last year or so, I've gone online to check stuff out, and there are STILL too many Tiger Is and Panthers for my taste!

No, THANKS! I'll stick to my own homegrown stuff...
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 02:27 PM UTC
Michael, loving this build. Well done!


Dennis,

With all due respect, if you have not joined a competition in the past 20 years, it might have passed you by that many competitions divide Axis and Allied vehicles into separate judging categories, same with WW2 and post war, so the so-called bias is not there, at least not in the judging.

In addition, the models are (or at least should be) judged on their merits and not nationality. Bias towards a certain nations vehicles should thereby be eliminated.

Just because a comptition should happen to have more axis /German vehicles than allied, does not mean there is a bias in the judging system.

Besides, if you bring your allied models to these events, that would contribute to an increase in the displayed models on the allied "half" of things, wouldn't it?

In addition you get to meet a lot of nice like-minded people, whether they build German stuff or not
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 03:03 PM UTC

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Michael, loving this build. Well done!


Dennis,

With all due respect, if you have not joined a competition in the past 20 years, it might have passed you by that many competitions divide Axis and Allied vehicles into separate judging categories, same with WW2 and post war, so the so-called bias is not there, at least not in the judging.

In addition, the models are (or at least should be) judged on their merits and not nationality. Bias towards a certain nations vehicles should thereby be eliminated.

Just because a comptition should happen to have more axis /German vehicles than allied, does not mean there is a bias in the judging system.

Besides, if you bring your allied models to these events, that would contribute to an increase in the displayed models on the allied "half" of things, wouldn't it?

In addition you get to meet a lot of nice like-minded people, whether they build German stuff or not



Thanks for your input- must be I went to the wrong shows and competitions. If I brought just "some" of my US/Allied equipment, I'd need to hire a moving van!!!
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 03:44 PM UTC
Not going to get into this too far but just to say that I have been competitiing for 10 - 15 years and while there is certainly an over abundance of German equipment offered up in the competitions I have never felt a bias on the part of the judges away from the Allied and towards the Axis.
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 04:53 PM UTC
A few of the postings seem to be trying to divert attention to the judging part instead of what is just plain and simple truthful reality: builders are paying more attention to the Axis vehicles than the Allied ones. Same thing happens in sports there always seems to be a "majority favorite", or is it people clinging to the Star Wars phrase "join the dark side"?.

While the Germans did have a great technological development in their war arsenal, I am personally hoping that more people will be looking into the side that won the war. Bronco Models is making great strides in that and AFV Club has a number of excellent quality kits, while Tamiya is an awesome brand to stuff with aftermarket accessories.

Forum member gastec provides very valuable contributions with his detailed builds that for me as an armor builder newbie are drawing me into the Allied subject bigtime, the subject of this particular post is shaping up to be a great one in itself as do a few others. If we work together by continuing to build inspirational projects we may or may not be able to sway the Axis bias with the builders into a more balanced situation.
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 05:40 PM UTC
Dennis it sounds like you would be perfect for an AMPS membership! As you may know, in the AMPS sponsored events each entry is judged against a very demanding set of defined criteria rather than against other models.

Medals are handed out based on the number of models that meet that criteria for modeling excellence rather then just having an arbitrary first, second or third in a given category.
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 06:29 PM UTC
Michael,
Thanks for the plug for AMPS. I will mention that AMPS has 15 separate categories, Category II (Closed Top Tracked and Semi-tracked Vehicles to 1945, Allied (based on markings) specifically for this post) for entry in which a modeler can compete against a set of criteria that is used to judge their model. Additionally, the judges provide comments back to the modeler to help them to improve. There is no head to head judging unless the model is competing for a "Best of" category, on its way to a potential Best of Show. For more information on the categories of competition, the "Best of" categories and the methods of judging, I would invite you to take a look at the AMPS Modelers Guide to Contest Rules (http://www.amps-armor.org/ampssite/Documents/ContestRules/AMPSRules.pdf) from the 2015 International Convention as well as AMPS Rules for Competition (http://www.amps-armor.org/ampssite/Documents/ContestRules/AMPSRules.pdf) as guides to assist you in determining if you might like to participate in an AMPS International Convention or Regional Show. The upcoming ARMORCON Show in Danbury CT on 25-26 September might be an advantageous time to "try out" AMPS to see if it is for you. Danbury will be the site for the 2017 AMPS International Convention in April 2017

For more information either PM myself here or e-mail me via the AMPS webpage (http://www.amps-armor.org/ampssite/contact.aspx)


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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 06:36 PM UTC
Attended the AMPS Nationals a few years back at the Victory Museum in Auburn, IN. It was an excellent event. Took home a Gold Metal for a 7 1/2 ton Mack NO6 US Heavy Truck entry and a Silver for an imaginary fully enclosed German Recovery vehicle!

It was a rather proud moment!
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 07:42 PM UTC
Is the dozer blade available separately ?
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 08:59 PM UTC
As far as I know the blade is not available separately but I bet if you contacted Mirror Models directly they would accommodate you!

However if you already have a tractor with the LeTourneau twin drum rear winch then the blade and overhead frame should not be too much of a challenge to scratch build.


LeTourneau double drum winch shown above. On this Bulldozer the blade has been temporarily removed and both drums from the winch are being used to control a LeTourneau scraper being towed behind the dozer.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 03:10 AM UTC
I agree with Oddball, there are simply more folks out there building and competiting with Axis armor than there are building Allied. However thanks in part to the hobby manufactures the tide is beginning to turn, especially in the area of Allied softskins. Bravo!

Also I think more modelers are getting tired of this week's latest Tiger, Panther or Sturm and the Allied equipment offers some new challenges for building as well as for research!
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 06:37 AM UTC
Final paint on the engine and chassis plus the start of the pastel weathering and highlighting:



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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 08:09 PM UTC
Some diorama ideas:






My personal favorite: D7 loaded onto a 20 ton low-bed trailer being pulled by a White 666 semi-tractor.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 09:09 PM UTC

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I agree with Oddball, there are simply more folks out there building and competiting with Axis armor than there are building Allied. However thanks in part to the hobby manufactures the tide is beginning to turn, especially in the area of Allied softskins. Bravo!

Also I think more modelers are getting tired of this week's Tiger, Panther or Sturm and the Allied equipment offers some new challenges for building as well as for research!



Michael,
I apologize for the temporary hijacking of the thread with an AMPS Pulic Service message. Actually, I believe that Allied entries have overtaken the German ones in the last couple of AMPS International Conventions...

Outstanding work on the D7 dozer. Hopefully I can see it in person at a future AMPS show.

John
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 10:10 PM UTC
More ideas :







Full size



Full size

Korea :



I've just came across this earth auger-fitted variant used by Signal Corps Right of Way Construction Teams in the Pacific. The combination can clear and level a site, dig a twenty-inch hole, and set a 45-foot Class 1 pole. The equipment was moved from one site to another using a 6-ton prime mover and 20-ton semitrailer :



H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 10:16 PM UTC
Thanks John, no worries. I have been a member of AMPS in the past and generally like how you guys do things.

Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 10:53 PM UTC
Hey Dennis - here is you Armored Dozer with "Inside Blade" that you spoke of. It is available from Mirror Models!




Used for beach recovery and ship unloading under small arms fire.


Last photo Nevington War Museum
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Posted: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - 07:19 PM UTC
Here is the style "pipeline" crane/tractor I have most often seen down through the years:

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Posted: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - 07:23 PM UTC
H.P. That D7 dozer sporting the telephone pole auger is very impressive! It even has a totally separate engine to drive the drill. WOW!

Mike
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2015 - 12:28 AM UTC

A wartime Caterpillar advertisement.
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2015 - 02:15 AM UTC
Here's the crane picture you wanted to post It's from the PDF version of "The War against Germany : Europe and adjacent areas"

(you can download it here )



Another dio idea (from the same book) :



H.P.