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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 03:01 AM UTC
Armorama member David Byrden's site has a fantastic tweak list for fixing some of the inaccuracies of the new Rye Models Tunisian Tiger I.
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 03:54 AM UTC
Good job, David. Time to get the surgical tools out and start a-cuttin'.
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 07:47 AM UTC
Here's a couple of questions:
What style uniform would the crews be wearing when they arrived in Africa?
Are there any existing crew sets that would work with this kit? (Master Box, Mini Art, Dragon, etc., doesn't matter.)
What style uniform would the crews be wearing when they arrived in Africa?
Are there any existing crew sets that would work with this kit? (Master Box, Mini Art, Dragon, etc., doesn't matter.)
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 08:06 PM UTC
At first glance, it appears to be an error-riddelled model. But most of the errors or omissions can be corrected with either PE, or with a few scraps of plastic strip and reliable reference. In some cases some of these errors/omissions will not even be visible. If only we had such advice on correcting every new (and old) plastic kit!
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 08:23 PM UTC
Track link did a very detail blog on this model . There are no surprises to run into .
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 08:30 PM UTC
Thanks David. Looks like 724 could be done with Star Decals sheet, if the font was the only kit item preventing it being built
http://star-decals.net/star35928.html
or
http://star-decals.net/star35992.html
http://star-decals.net/star35928.html
or
http://star-decals.net/star35992.html
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 09:04 PM UTC
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At first glance, it appears to be an error-riddelled model. But most of the errors or omissions can be corrected with either PE, or with a few scraps of plastic strip and reliable reference. In some cases some of these errors/omissions will not even be visible. If only we had such advice on correcting every new (and old) plastic kit!
Agreed. Look, there have been kits which are considered as the pinnacle of styrene art and even they ended up requiring as much cosmetic surgery as Jocelyn Wildenstein on a good day and nobody gave it a second thought. A lot of us have done more to correct more glaring errors and still thought that these other kits were pretty good to great. Errors notwithstanding, it's a pretty decent first effort. Rye seems to learned from its mistakes judging from the corrections it'll make in future releases.
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 09:15 PM UTC
I believe the hull top is short by .020" inches .
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 09:22 PM UTC
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I believe the hull top is short by .020" inches .
Only if you measure it. Otherwise, it looks like a small gap.
Byrden
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 09:23 PM UTC
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Thanks David. Looks like 724 could be done with Star Decals sheet
Actually, I'm discussing the fit of the 724 decals with Dragon right now.
That is what I made of the "4" after studying the photo. And I think they're all red.
David
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 09:56 PM UTC
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I believe the hull top is short by .020" inches .
What? .020 inches in 1/35 scale?
Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 09:59 PM UTC
As always David, thank you for the brilliant work!
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 10:06 PM UTC
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Quoted TextAt first glance, it appears to be an error-riddelled model. But most of the errors or omissions can be corrected with either PE, or with a few scraps of plastic strip and reliable reference. In some cases some of these errors/omissions will not even be visible. If only we had such advice on correcting every new (and old) plastic kit!
Agreed. Look, there have been kits which are considered as the pinnacle of styrene art and even they ended up requiring as much cosmetic surgery as Jocelyn Wildenstein on a good day and nobody gave it a second thought. A lot of us have done more to correct more glaring errors and still thought that these other kits were pretty good to great. Errors notwithstanding, it's a pretty decent first effort. Rye seems to learned from its mistakes judging from the corrections it'll make in future releases.
I deeply regret Googling Jocelyn Wildenstein
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 10:27 PM UTC
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Quoted TextI believe the hull top is short by .020" inches .
Only if you measure it. Otherwise, it looks like a small gap.
Yes sir , but forcing it to close produces a noticeable bent in the rear plate , where the exhaust is . And it's the whole width of the plate ! And no I have not been drinking too much coffee yet . So is this my imagination or is there substance to this ?
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 10:55 PM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextI believe the hull top is short by .020" inches .
Only if you measure it. Otherwise, it looks like a small gap.
Yes sir , but forcing it to close produces a noticeable bent in the rear plate , where the exhaust is . And it's the whole width of the plate ! And no I have not been drinking too much coffee yet . So is this my imagination or is there substance to this ?
From what I've read on the subject of Tiger I/II tank hull construction, there was a +/-15 mm tolerance and there were some measureable differences found. If that is the case, then, that .020" gap is a historically accurate scale representation. Just use some 1/35 welding rod to fill it in.
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 11:00 PM UTC
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I deeply regret Googling Jocelyn Wildenstein
Consider yourself lucky that you only had to look at a photo. I had the misfortune of having to look at that walking nightmare plenty o'times when I worked as a concierge at Trump Tower years ago. She actually had friends who lived there and were brave enough to let her drop by in the daytime.
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 11:47 PM UTC
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. Quoted TextQuoted TextQuoted TextI believe the hull top is short by .020" inches .
Only if you measure it. Otherwise, it looks like a small gap.
Yes sir , but forcing it to close produces a noticeable bent in the rear plate , where the exhaust is . And it's the whole width of the plate ! And no I have not been drinking too much coffee yet . So is this my imagination or is there substance to this ?
From what I've read on the subject of Tiger I/II tank hull construction, there was a +/-15 mm tolerance and there were some measureable differences found. If that is the case, then, that .020" gap is a historically accurate scale representation. Just use some 1/35 welding rod to fill it in.
I was going to add piece .020 thick the whole length of the rear plate to take up the gap . If I figured that right that's 17.5 mm in real life . So they are still in the tolerance window ? So beefing up the back is era correct fix then . Thank you sir .
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Posted: Friday, August 28, 2015 - 12:55 AM UTC
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Quoted Text.Quoted TextQuoted TextQuoted TextI believe the hull top is short by .020" inches .
Only if you measure it. Otherwise, it looks like a small gap.
Yes sir , but forcing it to close produces a noticeable bent in the rear plate , where the exhaust is . And it's the whole width of the plate ! And no I have not been drinking too much coffee yet . So is this my imagination or is there substance to this ?
From what I've read on the subject of Tiger I/II tank hull construction, there was a +/-15 mm tolerance and there were some measureable differences found. If that is the case, then, that .020" gap is a historically accurate scale representation. Just use some 1/35 welding rod to fill it in.
I was going to add piece .020 thick the whole length of the rear plate to take up the gap . If I figured that right that's 17.5 mm in real life . So they are still in the tolerance window ? So beefing up the back is era correct fix then . Thank you sir .
No, it is I who thanks you.My math was off and you are correct in your measurements. Mark this as a fail on Rye's part . I haven't opened mine yet. Is it possible to add the strip to the front of the roof plate so that the entire assembly slides back and abuts the rear plate; or, would that throw everything off?
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Posted: Friday, August 28, 2015 - 12:56 AM UTC
Jocelyn's not even the scariest thing walking the streets of Manhattan, but she's definitely in the top five. Actually had a piece of a woman's face fall on my counter when I worked in the WTC.
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Posted: Friday, August 28, 2015 - 04:35 AM UTC
Shimming the front of hull would make a wide enough weld seam wider , wouldn't it . I tried emailing ryefield but the mail comes back undelivered . I'll shimm the back and take from there .