1/35 scale Vietnam War Heli Door Gunners from BRAVO-6.
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:45 PM UTC
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2015 - 06:24 PM UTC
I have this set too and and can confirm that they are very nice.
One correction on your description. You say,
"MG weapons were first mounted on pintle mounts but as the war progressed, using bungee cords to suspend and retain the gun became a common practice, as the bungeed weapons allowed for increased firing angles. "
You have that backwards. The bungie cords (actually surgical tubing) were used before the pintles were available. In early UH-1B/C/ & D models, doorguns had no provisions to mount them. It was expected that the gunners would just hold them. To make this easier, the crews hung them on the tubing in the cargo doors to mount them. In about '65, the pintle mounts became available and replaced the surgical tubing. Later C models also used a mount called the samgaki mount since it was named after the soldier who designed it. It was a swing arm that attached to the weapons mounts for the guns/rockets.
UH-1B w/Surgical Tubing
UH-1C w/Samgaki mount
Early (1964) UH-1D w/o pintle mounts or doorguns
Later (1968) UH-1H w/pintle mount
The pintle mount was used on US Army Hueys up into the mid-90s, when they were replaced in front-line units by UH-60 Black Hawks.
UH-1H w/pintle mounts in Saudi Arabia, Operation Desert Storm, 1991.
And still used today on new Iraqi Air Force UH-1H++
Also still used on US Dept of State Airwing UH-1H++ in A'stan as well.
One correction on your description. You say,
"MG weapons were first mounted on pintle mounts but as the war progressed, using bungee cords to suspend and retain the gun became a common practice, as the bungeed weapons allowed for increased firing angles. "
You have that backwards. The bungie cords (actually surgical tubing) were used before the pintles were available. In early UH-1B/C/ & D models, doorguns had no provisions to mount them. It was expected that the gunners would just hold them. To make this easier, the crews hung them on the tubing in the cargo doors to mount them. In about '65, the pintle mounts became available and replaced the surgical tubing. Later C models also used a mount called the samgaki mount since it was named after the soldier who designed it. It was a swing arm that attached to the weapons mounts for the guns/rockets.
UH-1B w/Surgical Tubing
UH-1C w/Samgaki mount
Early (1964) UH-1D w/o pintle mounts or doorguns
Later (1968) UH-1H w/pintle mount
The pintle mount was used on US Army Hueys up into the mid-90s, when they were replaced in front-line units by UH-60 Black Hawks.
UH-1H w/pintle mounts in Saudi Arabia, Operation Desert Storm, 1991.
And still used today on new Iraqi Air Force UH-1H++
Also still used on US Dept of State Airwing UH-1H++ in A'stan as well.
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2015 - 10:04 PM UTC
Hi Gino,
I edited review text with your info. It was what I read in wikipedia. Thanks for the help.
Best regards
Engin
I edited review text with your info. It was what I read in wikipedia. Thanks for the help.
Best regards
Engin
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Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2015 - 06:02 PM UTC
Gott love Wikipedia, the greatest source for mostly incorrect info on the web. It is a better description, but still a little off. Two things that still need to be fixed.
"Another enlisted soldier served as a second door gunner such as on a UH-1 and UH-34, which used two gunners."
The UH-34 usually only had one door gunner since it only had one door on the right side. Sometimes a window on the left was removed for another gunner, but it was not common since space inside was at a premium and the window gun had a very limited arc of fire.
UH-34D
"MG weapons were mounted on pintle mounts or bungee cords which allowed gunner increased firing angles.
The bungee cords did not allow for "increased firing angles." They were only used to take some of the weight of the gun out of the gunners' hands so they wouldn't get tired as quickly. The bungee-suspended weapons were actually less accurate and less effective, that is why the pinbtle mounts were developed.
"Another enlisted soldier served as a second door gunner such as on a UH-1 and UH-34, which used two gunners."
The UH-34 usually only had one door gunner since it only had one door on the right side. Sometimes a window on the left was removed for another gunner, but it was not common since space inside was at a premium and the window gun had a very limited arc of fire.
UH-34D
"MG weapons were mounted on pintle mounts or bungee cords which allowed gunner increased firing angles.
The bungee cords did not allow for "increased firing angles." They were only used to take some of the weight of the gun out of the gunners' hands so they wouldn't get tired as quickly. The bungee-suspended weapons were actually less accurate and less effective, that is why the pinbtle mounts were developed.
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2015 - 08:15 PM UTC
A slight correction to my original response. It should read Sagami Mount, not a Samgaki mount for early UH-1B/C gunship doorgun mounts.
A better pic of a Sagami mount on a UH-1C gunship.
A better pic of a Sagami mount on a UH-1C gunship.