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Vallejo washes
Rforand
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Florida, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - 03:30 PM UTC
Anybody out there use the Vallejo washes?Are they any good and are they easy to use.Looking for something other than oil based ones
Vicious
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - 03:54 PM UTC
I have 4 vallejo washes,is good stuff for panels and work like that,but like every acrilycs dry to quick for me and i dont have enough time to adjust...i like Enamel and Oil stuff for is long drying time
ChrisK89
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - 10:28 PM UTC
I use the Vallejo Washes too but i mix mine 1:1:1 Vallejo Wash, distilled water and their glaze medium and put a few drops of flow improver into the mix, it depends on the amount i mix.

I use this mix as a "filter", speak i completely dampen the surface with this mix and it does the work on its own. Don't wash it away or touch it until its dry.

It does a really nice job defining the smallest details.


cheers Chris
seahunt57
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Posted: Saturday, September 26, 2015 - 07:42 PM UTC
Greetings from Texas. I have returned to the hobby after a 45 year absence. I'm doing tanks right now. Concerning washes, I have read that an acrylic base should be washed with enamels and viceversa, after waiting for the appropriate drying times. Any comments? Thanks. Luis
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 - 06:01 AM UTC
Correct. It is highly recommended that you use enamel wash over acrylic and vice versa since washes will contain thinner. Once an acrylic wash hits an acrylic base coat, the thinner might destroy the base coat.

Although, in rare instances you could get away with it if the base coat is well cured or a different product concentration for the wash is used. But why risk it right?
Thudius
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 - 08:09 AM UTC

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Correct. It is highly recommended that you use enamel wash over acrylic and vice versa since washes will contain thinner. Once an acrylic wash hits an acrylic base coat, the thinner might destroy the base coat.


As far as I know, there aren't any "thinners" in acrylic washes other than water and/or acrylic resin which won't harm an acrylic or enamel undercoat, unless you're thinking about Tamiya paints and their thinner. Vallejo washes go down without any special prep needed on acrylics, although a clear coat is a good idea in case you mess up and need to clean it up. Vallejo do recommend a satin or gloss coat for better flow, but I've been using them over flat with no problems.

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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 - 09:16 AM UTC

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Greetings from Texas. I have returned to the hobby after a 45 year absence. I'm doing tanks right now. Concerning washes, I have read that an acrylic base should be washed with enamels and viceversa, after waiting for the appropriate drying times. Any comments? Thanks. Luis


i use lots of time Enamel or Oil on Enamel and if the base coat is copletely dry,24-48h and gentle with the brush i dot have any problem,or i use some gloss/satin/matt acrilyc varnish like "Humbrol gloss Clear" (is like Future)

http://www.humbrol.com/uk-en/new-releases/varnishes/humbrol-matt-clear-125ml-bottle.html
justsendit
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 - 09:42 AM UTC
I tend to agree with Chris and Kimmo.

I’ve been using Vallejo products almost exclusively and find several of their washes much to my liking — pin-washed, airbrushed, straight, or diluted.

I do remember on my first attempt, I got carried away and applied too much wash — totally my own fault. However, it was an easy fix to tone it down by removing some of the wash with water. Since then, I've applied Vallejo Washes directly on top of base coats, and under, or over Vallejo Matt Varnish (70.520).

—mike
jomark
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 - 11:36 AM UTC

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As far as I know, there aren't any "thinners" in acrylic washes other than water and/or acrylic resin which won't harm an acrylic or enamel undercoat, unless you're thinking about Tamiya paints and their thinner. Vallejo washes go down without any special prep needed on acrylics, although a clear coat is a good idea in case you mess up and need to clean it up. Vallejo do recommend a satin or gloss coat for better flow, but I've been using them over flat with no problems.


Thinner(s) is a generic term for a solvent to dissolve paint . It can be water (universal solvent) to strong chemicals. In your example yes it is true that vallejo, being a true water based acrylic, will not risk the base coat as much. But keep in mind that there are plenty of other acrylics as you stated such as tamiya and gunze sangyo that are thinned with alcohol based thinners. So a wash created using tamiya acrylics can eat up gunze acrylics and even vallejo/ak/mig paints to an extent. Even vallejo airbrush thinner can attack acrylic base coats when left exposed too long or brushed on too hard.

Like I said earlier, there are instances that it can work but the baseline concept of washes and filters are grounded on the acrylic-enamel idea. So since seahunt is getting back into the hobby, it would be the safest direction especially since he has not indicated what paints and weathering wash he plans to use.
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